301. ‘An image is not a picture, but a picture can correspond
to it.’
an image is a proposal – a picture is a proposal –
two proposals can be related
a proposal of correspondence can be put
any proposal – however described – and any proposed relation
– however described –
is open to question – open to doubt – and uncertain
302. ‘If one has to imagine someone else's pain on the model
of
one's own, this is none too easy a thing to do: for I have to
imagine
pain which I do not feel on the model of the pain which
I do feel. That
is, what I have to do is not simply to make a transition in
imagination
from one place of pain to another. As, from pain in the hand
to pain
in the arm. For I am not to imagine that I feel pain in some
region of
his body. (Which would also be possible.)
Pain-behaviour can point to a painful place—but the subject
of pain
is the person who gives it expression.’
you can’t feel pain that you don’t feel – but you can imagine
it –
to imagine is to propose what you don’t experience –
an imaginative proposal – as with any other – is open to
question – open to doubt – and uncertain
pain behaviour – is propositional behaviour –
the subject of a pain-proposal – the person who gives it expression
– is logically irrelevant
what is logically relevant is the proposal – regardless of
who proposes it
and the proposal – is open to question – open to doubt – and
uncertain
303. "I can only believe that someone else is in
pain, but I know it
if I am."—Yes: one can make the decision to say "I
believe he is in
pain" instead of "He is in pain". But that is
all.——What looks like
an explanation here, or like a statement about a mental
process, is in
truth an exchange of one expression for another which, while
we are
doing philosophy, seems the more appropriate one.
Just try—in a real case—to doubt someone else's fear or pain.’
"I can only believe that someone else is in
pain, but I know it if I am."
our ‘knowledge’ – and our ‘belief’ – is proposal –
any proposal put – is open to question – open to doubt – and
uncertain –
the distinction between ‘knowledge’ and ‘belief’ is a best
seen as a rhetorical distinction
a distinction made in the service of persuasion –
it has no basis in logic
to ‘know’ that I am in pain – is to put the proposal ‘I am
in pain’ –
to doubt here – is not to deny – it is to put the
proposal to question –
I can affirm my claim – and still subject it to critical
examination
one can put the proposal – and not put it to question
–
in that case the claim is not false – rather it is held illogically
–
if I put the claim ‘I am in pain’ – to question – I am
likely to take myself off to a physician –
put to a physician – he or she – will subject the claim to
critical examination –
again – to question is not to deny – it is to examine
and by the way – I could be making a false claim – it is still
open to question
‘Just try—in a real case—to doubt someone else's fear or
pain.’
to doubt someone else’s fear of pain – is to put it to
question – to examine it –
this is just what we do when we try to understand another’s
fear or pain
304. ‘"But you will surely admit that there is a difference
between
pain-behaviour accompanied by pain and pain-behaviour without
any
pain?"—Admit it? What greater difference could there be?—"And
yet
you again and again reach the conclusion that the sensation
itself is a
nothing"—Not at all. It is not a something.,
but not a nothing either!
The conclusion was only that a nothing would serve just as
well as a
something about which nothing could be said. We have only
rejected
the grammar which tries to force itself on us here.
The paradox disappears only if we make a radical break with
the
idea that language always functions in one way, always
serves the
same purpose: to convey thoughts—which may be about houses,
pains
,good and evil, or anything else you please.’
‘"But you will surely admit that there is a difference
between pain-behaviour accompanied by pain and pain-behaviour without any
pain?"—
there is a difference – if a difference is proposed
‘And yet you again and again reach the conclusion that the
sensation itself is a
nothing"—Not at all. It is not a something.,
but not a nothing either!’
it is a proposal – open to question – open to doubt –
and uncertain
305. ‘"But you surely cannot deny that, for example, in
remembering,
an inner process takes place."—What gives the
impression that
we want to deny anything? When one says "Still, an inner
process
does take place here"—one wants to go on: "After all,
you see it."
And it is this inner process that one means by the word
"remembering".
—The impression that we wanted to deny something arises from
our setting our faces against the picture of the 'inner process'.
What
we deny is that the picture of the inner process gives us
the correct
idea of the use of the word "to remember". We say
that this picture
with its ramifications stands in the way of our seeing the
use of the
word as it is.’
"Still, an inner process does take place here"—one
wants to go on: "After all, you see it." And it is this inner
process that one means by the word "remembering".
to remember is to propose –
and this proposal – this
memory proposal – can remain private – or it can be made public
‘The impression that we wanted to deny something arises from
our setting our faces against the picture of the 'inner process'.’
the point is the proposal –
whether put privately – or put publicly
and this ‘inner process’ – in so far as it is put as an
account of the memory proposal –
is a proposal – open
to question – open to doubt – and uncertain
‘What we deny is that the picture of the inner process gives
us the correct idea of the use of the word "to remember".’
there is no ‘correct use’ of the words ‘to remember’ –
a memory proposal is open to question – open to doubt – and
uncertain –
its use – is open to question
an ‘inner process account’ of the memory proposal – is open
to question –
if such a proposal has a use – that use will be open to
question –
‘We say that this picture with its ramifications stands in
the way of our seeing the use of the word as it is.’
the word as it is – is open to question – open to doubt – and
uncertain
what stands in the way of understanding propositional use –
is an un-critical view of the proposition
306. ‘Why should I deny that there is a mental process? But
"There has just taken place in me the mental process of remembering . . . ."
means nothing more than: "I have just remembered . . . .".To deny the
mental process would mean to deny the remembering; to deny that anyone ever
remembers anything.’
if the proposal ‘there is a mental process’ – is useful to
you – no need to deny it
however – this proposal as with any other – is open to question
– open to doubt and uncertain
if you have no use for it – it will not figure in your
propositional actions
a proposal like ‘I remember’ – can stand on its own two feet
–
it doesn’t need to be bolstered with any supplementary
proposals like –‘there is a mental process’
and this proposal ‘I remember’ – is open to question open to
doubt – and as everyone should know – uncertain
307. ‘"Are you not really a behaviourist in disguise?
Aren't you
at bottom really saying that everything except human
behaviour is
a fiction?"—If I do speak of a fiction, then it is of a
grammatical
fiction.’
the proposal that ‘everything except human behaviour is a fiction’
–
the behaviourist proposal –
is open to question – open to doubt – and is uncertain
and you can put that this ‘fiction’ is a grammatical fiction
–
this grammatical fiction proposal –
is open to question – open to doubt – and uncertain
308. ‘How does the philosophical problem about mental
processes
and states and about behaviourism arise?——The first step is
the one
that altogether escapes notice. We talk of processes and
states and
leave their nature undecided. Sometime perhaps we shall know
more about them—we think. But that is just what commits us
to a
particular way of looking at the matter. For we have a
definite concept
of what it means to learn to know a process better. (The decisive
movement in the conjuring trick has been made, and it was the
very
one that we thought quite innocent.)—And now the analogy
which
was to make us understand our thoughts falls to pieces. So
we have to
deny the yet uncomprehended process in the yet unexplored
medium.
And now it looks as if we had denied mental processes. And naturally
we don't want to deny them.’
‘How does the philosophical problem about mental processes
and states and about behaviourism arise?’
a proposal is put i.e. ‘I am in pain’
and different proposals are put in explanation of this proposal
–
it’s that simple – it’s that straightforward
‘We talk of processes and states and leave their nature
undecided.’ –
well yes – a proposal is put – and the matter is open to
question – open to doubt – and is uncertain
‘their nature’ – if that is what is being proposed – is open
to question
‘For we have a definite concept of what it means to learn to
know a process better.’
there is no definite concept –
at best what you have is a working concept-proposal –
this ‘definite concept’ – from alogical point of view – is
indefinite
‘(The decisive movement in the conjuring trick has been
made, and it was the very
one that we thought quite innocent.)’
there is no ‘conjuring trick’ –
Wittgenstein here is attempting his own sleight of hand here
–
and it comes about because he doesn’t see – or does not want
to see the ‘un-mysterious fact’ – of proposal – and proposal put
the proposal – the proposition is not some mysterious
phenomenon –
it is as plain as dirt
‘So we have to deny the yet uncomprehended process in the
yet unexplored medium.
And now it looks as if we had denied mental processes. And
naturally
we don't want to deny them.’
one can quite legitimately put the proposal of ‘mental
process and states’– and then – as with any proposal – begin putting it to question
– putting it to doubt – and exploring its uncertainty
that’s it
just because the proposal is put – and the nature of mental processes
and states – is left undecided – does not
mean that the proposal can only be denied
yes – you can take your bat and ball and go home –
but if you regard the matter as one of genuine philosophical
concern –
then you will start the hard work of critical investigation
–
and see where that takes you
309. ‘What is your aim in philosophy?—To shew the fly the
way out
of the fly-bottle.’
my aim in philosophy is to put any and all proposals /
propositions to question – to doubt – and to explore their uncertainty –
I think the fly in the fly bottle metaphor – represents
being trapped – by dogmatism prejudice and ignorance
I say smash the bottle
310. ‘I tell someone I am in pain. His attitude to me will
then be
that of belief; disbelief; suspicion; and so on.
Let us assume he says: "It's not so bad."—Doesn't
that prove that
he believes in something behind the outward expression of
pain?——
His attitude is a proof of his attitude. Imagine not merely
the words
"I am in pain" but also the answer "It's not
so bad" replaced by
instinctive noises and gestures.’
‘Let us assume he says: "It's not so bad."—Doesn't
that prove that he believes in something behind the outward expression of
pain?’
it might be the case that he believes in something behind the
outward expression of pain
but it could also be that he makes his assessment on the
basis of his observation of the speakers physical state – his facial expressions
etc.
in any case ‘It’s not so bad’ – is a proposal – open
to question – open to doubt – and uncertain –
there is no ‘proof’ here – only proposal
‘Imagine not merely the words "I am in pain" but
also the answer "It's not so bad" replaced by instinctive noises and
gestures.’
the instinctive noises and gestures – are proposals –
proposals – open to question – open to doubt – and uncertain
311. ‘"What difference could be greater?"—In the
case of pain I
believe that I can give myself a private exhibition of the
difference.
But I can give anyone an exhibition of the difference between
a broken
and an unbroken tooth.—But for the private exhibition you
don't
have to give yourself actual pain; it is enough to imagine
it—for
instance, you screw up your face a bit. And do you know that
what you
are giving yourself this exhibition of is pain and not, for
example, a
facial expression? And how do you know what you are to give
yourself an exhibition of before you do it? This private
exhibition is an
illusion.’
no – it’s not – it’s a proposal –
a proposal – open to question – open to doubt – and uncertain
312. ‘But again, aren't the cases of the tooth and
the pain similar?
For the visual sensation in the one corresponds to the
sensation of
pain in the other. 1 can exhibit the visual sensation to
myself as little
or as well as the sensation of pain.
Let us imagine the following: The surfaces of the things
around us
(stones, plants, etc.) have patches and regions which
produce pain
in our skin when we touch them. (Perhaps through the
chemical
composition of these surfaces. But we need not know that.)
In this
case we should speak of pain-patches on the leaf of a
particular plant
just as at present we speak of red patches. I am supposing
that it is
useful to us to notice these patches and their shapes; that
we can infer
important properties of the objects from them.’
pain is a proposal –
and this proposal can take different forms –
any one of these propositional forms –
is open to question – open to doubt – and uncertain
as to ‘pain patches’ –
an unusual proposal – but as valid as any –
and Wittgenstein for one – has a use for it
it is a proposal – open to question – open to doubt – and uncertain
313. ‘I can exhibit pain, as I exhibit red, and as I exhibit
straight
and crooked and trees and stones.—That is what we call
"exhibiting".’
that is what we call proposing
314. ‘It shews a fundamental misunderstanding, if I am
inclined to
study the headache I have now in order to get clear about the
philosophical problem of sensation.’
if I study ‘the headache I now have’ -
I evaluate the proposal – ‘I have a headache now’ – in
relation to the problem of sensation
I think this proposal could be used as a means of focusing
on the problem – as a way in to it –
Wittgenstein makes clear that he would not begin any
critical discussion with such a proposal –
but that is not to say that someone wouldn’t see some value
in doing so –
it is not how I would come at the problem
as to ‘getting clear’ about the philosophical problem of
sensation
any claim of ‘clarity’ – is probably not going to last long
– if you have genuine critical discussion – in an open minded fashion
and it could well be that the philosophical problem of sensation
–
becomes a headache
315. ‘Could someone understand the word "pain", who
had never
felt pain?—Is experience to teach me whether this is so or
not?—
And if we say "A man could not imagine pain without
having
sometime felt it"—how do we know? How can it be decided
whether it is true?’
‘Could someone understand the word "pain", who had
never felt pain?’
I’ve never experienced what mystics call a ‘beatific vision’
–
but I can understand what the proposal of ‘beatific vision’
amounts to – by reading the relevant theology
and of course my understanding of this proposal – as with my
understanding of any proposal – is open to question – open to doubt – and is
uncertain –
‘A man could not imagine pain without having sometime felt it’
is a proposal – open to question – open to doubt – and
uncertain
‘How can it be decided whether it is true?’
it is true – if you give your assent to it – and false if
you dissent from it
and any reason you have for assent or dissent – is open to
question
how do you decide the question?
firstly – you may not come to a decision – you may leave the
matter open – leave it undecided
(the un-excluded middle)
but if you decide – how do you decide?
there is no objective – as in universal – decision procedure
–
a procedure that applies to anyone – in any circumstance –
and any decision procedure proposed – is open to question –
open to doubt – and uncertain
how does someone decide?
the best you can do is ask them
316. ‘In order to get clear about the meaning of the word
"think"
we watch ourselves while we think; what we observe will be what
the
word means! —But this concept is not used like that. (It would
be as
if without knowing how to play chess, I were to try and make
out
what the word "mate" meant by close observation of
the last move of
some game of chess.)’
Wittgenstein asks can you get clear about the meaning of the
word ‘think’ while observing yourself while you think?
it is an interesting question –
Wittgenstein doesn’t think so – and says – ‘But this concept
is not used like that’ –
what if someone has a cognitive disorder – and they have
learnt that one way of determining whether they are improving or not is to do a
certain test – e.g. – writing a series of numbers in a particular order?
if they can complete the task successfully – they are on the
improve – if they can’t complete or even do the task – there is no improvement
or a deterioration
would this not be a case of watching oneself while one
thinks?
and could you not generalize this – and ask – are we not
watching ourselves while we think – when we perform any action?
your answer here will depend on just how you define ‘think’
– and how you define ‘watching yourself while you think’ –
the word ‘think’ and the phrase ‘watching yourself while you
think’ – are proposals
proposals – open to question – open to doubt – and uncertain
317. ‘Misleading parallel: the expression of pain is a
cry—the
expression of thought, a proposition.
As if the purpose of the proposition were to convey to one person
how it is with another: only, so to speak, in his thinking
part and not
in his stomach.’
pain is a proposal that can be put – in any number of forms
a cry – is a proposal – a proposal – open to question – open
to doubt – and uncertain –
the purpose of a proposal – of a proposition – is open
to question
and yes it is fair enough to put that the purpose of the proposition
is to ‘convey to one person how it is with another’
‘thinking part’ – ‘stomach’ –?
what a proposal conveys – is open to question – open to
doubt – and uncertain –
whether it is from a ‘thinking part’ – or a ‘stomach’
318. ‘Suppose we think while we talk or write—I mean, as we
normally do—we shall not in general say that we think quicker
than
we talk; the thought seems not to be separate from the
expression.
On the other hand, however, one does speak of the speed of
thought;
of how a thought goes through one's head like lightning; how
problems
become clear to us in a flash, and so on. So it is natural
to ask if
the same thing happens in lightning-like thought—only
extremely
accelerated—as when we talk and 'think while we talk.' So that
in the
first case the clockwork runs down all at once, but in the
second bit
by bit, braked by the words.’
thought is proposal –
and talk – and the written word – are proposals –
where there is a relation between a thought proposal and a
spoken proposal or a written proposal – that relation is open to question – open
to doubt and uncertain
and here we have from Wittgenstein – a relevant question
regarding that relation
319. ‘I can see or understand a whole thought in a flash in
exactly
the sense in which I can make a note of it in a few words or
a few
pencilled dashes.
What makes this note into an epitome of this thought?’
it’s an epitome of his thought –
if it’s proposed as an epitome of his thought
320. ‘The lightning-like thought may be connected with the
spoken thought as the algebraic formula is with the sequence
of
numbers which I work out from it.
When, for example, I am given an algebraic function, I am
CERTAIN that I shall be able to work out its values for the
arguments 1, 2, 3, ... up to 10. This certainty will be
called
'well-founded', for I have learned to compute such functions,
and so on. In other cases no reasons will be given for it—
but it will be justified by success.’
the relation between this ‘lightning-like thought’ and the
spoken thought –
is a relation between proposals – between propositions
it is a proposed relation – open to question – open to doubt
– and uncertain
the algebraic formula – is a game proposition –
a rule-governed propositional action
the numbers ‘which I work out from it’ – are tokens in the game
–
the ‘working out’ is the play of the game
it is not a question of certainty
it is matter of playing the game in accordance with its
rules
the game is not ‘well founded’ – the game is rule-governed
there is no question of justification –
games are not justified – they are rule-governed
‘success’ – if you must use this term – is
just playing the game –
in accordance with the rules
321. ‘"What happens when a man suddenly understands?"—The
question is badly framed. If it is a question about the
meaning of the
expression "sudden understanding", the answer is
not to point to a
process that we give this name to.—The question might mean:
what
are the tokens of sudden understanding; what are its
characteristic
psychical accompaniments?
(There is no ground for assuming that a man feels the facial
movements
that go with his expression, for example, or the alterations
in his
breathing that are characteristic of some emotion. Even if he
feels
them as soon as his attention is directed towards them.) ((Posture.))’
‘What happens when a man suddenly understands?’
there can be any number of propositional responses to this
question – and such any propositional – is open to question
‘(There is no ground for assuming that a man feels the
facial movements
that go with his expression, …’
this proposal – is open to question – open to doubt – and is
uncertain
322. ‘The question what the expression means is not answered
by
such a description; and this misleads us into concluding
that
understanding is a specific indefinable experience. But we
forget that what should interest us is the question: how do
we
compare these experiences; what criterion of identity
do we
fix for their occurrence?’
‘The question what the expression means is not answered by
such a description;’
well it is answered – the point is that any description
is open to question – open to doubt – and uncertain
and uncertain as it is – if the description has a use in
some propositional context – it most likely will be put to use –
if it doesn’t have a use – it will be dropped
‘and this misleads us into concluding that understanding is
a specific indefinable experience.’
understanding as an indefinable experience?
again – there is nothing against taking the view of ‘understanding
as an indefinable experience’ – it is rather a question of where it might have
function – where it might be useful –
and in any case – as with any proposal – it is open to
question
‘But we forget that what should interest us is the question:
how do we compare these experiences; what criterion of identity do we
fix for their occurrence?’
if you are about comparing these experiences – presumably you
will propose criteria of identity for their occurrence
as to ‘fixing’ –
there is no logical fix – any proposal – is open to question
– open to doubt – and uncertain
any ‘fix’ – can only be pragmatic –
and it is will be a pragmatism operating in uncertainty
323. ‘"Now I know how to go on!" is an
exclamation; it corresponds
to an instinctive sound, a glad start. Of course it does not
follow from my feeling that I shall not find I am stuck when
I do
try to go on.—Here there are cases in which I should say:
"When I
said I knew how to go on, I did know." One will say
that if, for
example, an unforeseen interruption occurs. But what is
unforeseen
must not simply be that I get stuck.
We could also imagine a case in which light was always seeming
to dawn on someone—he exclaims "Now I have it!" and
then can
never justify himself in practice.—It might seem to him as
if in the
twinkling of an eye he forgot again the meaning of the picture
that
occurred to him.’
‘Now I know how to go on!” – is a proposal – an exclamatory
proposal –
and a proposal – open to question – open to doubt – and uncertain
–
in so far as this proposal is presented as a claim of certainty
– it is not logical –
rather its value is rhetorical
‘Of course it does not follow from my feeling that I shall
not find I am stuck when I do try to go on’
yes – the exclamatory proposal – is no determination of what
will happen –
‘But what is unforeseen must not simply be that I get
stuck.’
what is unforeseen – is unforeseen
‘It might seem to him as if in the twinkling of an eye he forgot
again the meaning of the picture that occurred to him.’
it is not that one forgets one’s proposal – it is rather
that one comes to realise the uncertainty of one’s proposal
324. ‘Would it be correct to say that it is a matter of induction,
and that I am as certain that I shall be able to continue
the series, as I
am that this book will drop on the ground when I let it go;
and that
I should be no less astonished if I suddenly and for no
obvious
reason got stuck in working out the series, than I should be
if the book
remained hanging in the air instead of falling?—To that I will
reply
that we don't need any grounds for this certainty either.
What could
justify the certainty better than success?’
so called ‘success’ is an outcome – it is not a ground
it is not a ground for belief –
this is a classic case of putting the cart before the horse
as for induction – it is a proposal – a speculative one –
when all is said and done –
and a proposal – clearly – open to question – to doubt – and
uncertain
justifying certainty –
a nice trick here by Wittgenstein – to go with outcome – and
drop the issue of the ground for certainty
I guess he was hoping that one would just fly by
what it shows is that he just doesn’t have an argument for
certainty – and he knows it
and what this means is that his certainty proposal – is nothing
more than pretence
what we have here is not philosophical investigation – what
we have is nothing more than philosophical propaganda
philosophers are not adverse to pushing a view – not because
it stakes up – but because they want it to stack up –
there are con artists and charlatans wherever you look
325. ‘"The certainty that I shall be able to go on
after I have had
this experience—seen the formula, for instance,—is simply based
on
induction." What does this mean?—"The certainty that
the fire will
burn me is based on induction." Does that mean that I
argue to
myself: "Fire has always burned me, so it will happen
now too?"
Or is the previous experience the cause of my certainty, not
its ground?
Whether the earlier experience is the cause of the certainty
depends
on the system of hypotheses, of natural laws, in which we
are
considering the phenomenon of certainty.
Is our confidence justified?—What people accept as a justification—
is shewn by how they think and live.’
having decided to ditch the idea of a ‘ground’ to certainty
–
Wittgenstein is now shopping around for a replacement – presumably
he has realised that his ‘outcome’ idea of 324 – is a con that won’t fly
I find it extraordinary that he is spruiking induction as a
ground of certainty
really this is bottom of the barrel
ok so we don’t have a ground for certainty – let’s go with ‘cause’
any uncritical proposal can be a cause of certainty
if you don’t question – if you don’t doubt – if you just
rest in ignorance –
then you will be certain
as to his ‘fire burns argument’ – well hate to say it – but
that one is up for question too
if you move your fingers repeatedly through a flame –
it will not burn you –
it’ an old magic trick
hypotheses and natural laws are proposals – open to question
– open to doubt – and uncertain
the phenomenon of certainty – is the phenomenon of ignorance
how people live – is open to question – open to doubt – and
uncertain –
justification is pretence –
and no one leaves home without it
326. ‘We expect this, and are surprised at that.
But the chain of
reasons has an end.’
the claim of reasons does have an end – if you stop
reasoning –
if you stop putting your proposals – and the proposal put to
you – to question and to doubt –
and if you stop exploring propositional uncertainty
can you go through life expecting this and being surprised
at that – and regard reasoning as a dead end?
this is some kind of version of irrationalism –
and yes – we are all irrational at times –
but can anyone really stop putting this life to question?
to suggest that you can – and that such is a viable approach
to life –
is not worthy of anyone with a brain
327. ‘"Can one think without speaking?"—And what
is thinking?—
Well, don't you ever think? Can't you observe yourself and see
what
is going on? It should be quite simple. You do not have to
wait for it
as for an astronomical event and then perhaps make your
observation
in a hurry.’
‘Can one think without speaking?"—
one can and does think without speaking
‘And what is thinking?’
whatever it is proposed that it is –
and whatever it is proposed that it is –
is open to question – open to doubt – and is uncertain
‘Can't you observe yourself and see what is going on?’
do we observe what is going on in ourselves?
this depends on just how you understand ‘observe’
generally the term is used to refer to what our senses
deliver of the external world –
but can we not regard reflection – as a form of observation?
in any case the logical point is that –
you can question what is going on – you can doubt what is
going on – you can explore the uncertainty of what is going on
328. ‘Well, what does one include in 'thinking'? What has
one
learnt to use this word for?—If I say I have thought—need I
always
be right?—What kind of mistake is there room for
here? Are there
circumstances in which one would ask: "Was what I was
doing then
really thinking; am I not making a mistake?" Suppose
someone takes
a measurement in the middle of a train of thought: has he
interrupted
the thought if he says nothing to himself during the measuring?’
‘Well, what does one include in 'thinking'?’
what counts as thinking – what is included in thinking – is
a matter – open to question – open to doubt – and uncertain
you will use the term where you think it is appropriate
‘Suppose someone takes a measurement in the middle of a
train of thought: has he interrupted the thought if he says nothing to himself
during the measuring?’
the issue is whether thinking and measuring are different
propositional actions
if they are so regarded – the measuring will be an
interruption to the thinking – whether anything is said or not
if they are not regarded as different propositional actions
– if the measuring is seen as a form of the thinking –
then not saying anything will have no bearing on the matter
and if something is said but the measuring is going on – it will
not be an interruption
329. ‘When I think in language, there aren't 'meanings' going
through
my mind in addition to the verbal expressions: the language
is
itself the vehicle of thought.’
‘when I think in language’ –
just what this amounts to – is open to question –
‘meanings going through my mind in addition to the verbal expressions’
and ‘language is itself the vehicle of thought’
these proposals may have function is some propositional
context –
and these proposals – are open to question – open to doubt –
and uncertain
330. ‘Is thinking a kind of speaking? One would like to say
it is
what distinguishes speech with thought from talking without
thinking.
—And so it seems to be an accompaniment of speech. A
process,
which may accompany something else, or can go on by itself.
Say: "Yes, this pen is blunt. Oh well, it'll do."
First, thinking it;
then without thought; then just think the thought without
the words.
—Well, while doing some writing I might test the point of my
pen,
make a face—and then go on with a gesture of resignation.—I
might
also act in such a way while taking various measurements that
an
on-looker would say I had—without words—thought: If two
magnitudes
are equal to a third, they are equal to one another.—But
what constitutes
thought here is not some process which has to accompany the
words if
they are not to be spoken without thought.’
thought is a propositional action – speech a propositional
action
is there speaking without thought?
Wittgenstein thinks so – and he thinks that thought ‘may
accompany something else, or it can go on by itself’
however could it not be argued that there is always some
thought accompanying speech?
your view on this matter will depend on how you understand
thought – how you understand language – and how you construct the relation
between thinking and language
and any such propositional construction – will be open to
question – open to doubt – and uncertain
is thought a process?
clearly thought can be described as a ‘process’ – but is
this always the most appropriate or most useful way of describing thought?
in the example Wittgenstein gives – from which he takes it
that thought ‘is not some process’ – we are left with the question – well – if
you don’t want to go with ‘process’ – how is thought to be described here?
we don’t have an answer from Wittgenstein here –
really the question is left open – and this is as it should
be –
the nature of thought and its relation to language – is open
to question – open to doubt – and is uncertain
331. ‘Imagine people who could only think aloud. (As there
are people who can only read aloud.)’
people who could only think aloud?
would we say they think at all?
that they speak but don’t think?
or do we say that there are two kinds of thinking – one that
is done privately without speech –
and one for which there is no private dimension – only a public
dimension?
and it goes a little deeper too –
are these people – best described as ‘people’ – as we
generally know the term – or are they more in the line of robots – machines?
really the question here is – do you want to say that thought is public expression?
if you go down this path you deny that thought is something
that goes on inside people
it is really a question in the end of how you construct your
world view
radical behaviourism – has a place – has function
as do versions of the ‘ghost in the machine’ theory
any philosophical proposal – or propositional construction –
is open to question – open to doubt – and uncertain
I suspect people operate with whatever proposal – or
propositional construct –
suits their purpose –
and indeed – that they use one theory one moment – another
the next
we operate in uncertainty – and we know it –
what we get from philosophers is different propositional
constructs –
different ways of seeing and understanding ourselves and our
world
these different propositional constructs are possible because
– the reality we face – in the absence
of proposal – is unknown
we propose to make known –
and our proposals – fascinating and useful as they are – are
from a logical point of view – uncertain
it is this uncertainty that we live with and operate with –
it is the source of our creativity and our destructiveness
the source of our joy and of our sorrow –
it is the reality we face
332. ‘While we sometimes call it "thinking" to
accompany a
sentence by a mental process, that accompaniment is not what
we
mean by a "thought".——Say a sentence and think it;
say it with
understanding.—And now do not say it, and just do what you
accompanied
it with when you said it with understanding!—(Sing this tune
with
expression. And now don't sing it, but repeat its expression!—And
here one actually might repeat something. For example,
motions of
the body, slower and faster breathing, and so on.)’
‘While we sometimes call it "thinking" to accompany
a sentence by a mental process, that accompaniment is not what we mean by a
"thought".——
so – what do we mean by ‘thought’?
any suggestions?
‘Say a sentence and think it; say it with understanding.—And
now do not say it, and just do what you accompanied it with when you said it
with understanding!’
to say a sentence with understanding – is to recognise that
the sentence is a proposal – a proposal – open to question – open to doubt – and
uncertain
you can critically evaluate a proposal – without saying it –
and whatever accompanies that critical evaluation –
is logically irrelevant
333. "Only someone who is convinced can say
that."—How does
the conviction help him when he says it?—Is it somewhere at
hand by
the side of the spoken expression? (Or is it masked by it,
as a soft
sound by a loud one, so that it can, as it were, no longer
be heard
when one expresses it out loud?) What if someone were to say
"In
order to be able to sing a tune from memory one has to hear
it in
one's mind and sing from that"?’
"Only someone who is convinced can say that."—How
does the conviction help him when he says it?
if you are ‘convinced’ of what you say – of what you propose
–
then presumably – you don’t regard your proposition as open
to question – open to doubt or uncertain
your being ‘convinced’ – is illogical –
from a logical point of view it doesn’t help at all –
it is an irrational presentation and use of the proposal
‘Is it somewhere at hand by the side of the spoken expression?
(Or is it masked by it, as a soft sound by a loud one, so that it can, as it
were, no longer be heard
when one expresses it out loud?)’
‘being convinced’ is about presentation – presentation
to oneself – and presentation to others –
‘conviction’ is a rhetorical notion
to be convinced or to convince – is to play the persuasion
game
‘What if someone were to say "In order to be able to
sing a tune from memory one has to hear it in one's mind and sing from
that"?
the proposal – as with any proposal – is open to question –
open to doubt – and is uncertain’
334. ‘"So you really wanted to say . . . ."—We use
this phrase
in order to lead someone from one form of expression to another.
One is tempted to use the following picture: what he really
'wanted to
say', what he 'meant' was already present somewhere
in his mind even
before we gave it expression. Various kinds of thing may
persuade
us to give up one expression and to adopt another in its
place. To
understand this, it is useful to consider the relation in which
the
solutions of mathematical problems stand to the context and
ground of
their formulation. The concept 'trisection of the angle with
ruler
and compass', when people are trying to do it, and, on the
other hand,
when it has been proved that there is no such thing.’
‘what he 'meant' was already present somewhere in his
mind even before we gave it expression’
he may have composed his proposal – before giving it a public
expression
‘Various kinds of thing may persuade us to give up one expression
and to adopt another in its place.’
if one deals with proposals – with propositions logically
– they will be put to question – put to doubt – their uncertainty explored –
and this process may well involve considering other
proposals –
as a result of this critical process one proposal – may be
replaced by another
‘To understand this, it is useful to consider the relation
in which the solutions of mathematical problems stand to the context and ground
of their formulation. The concept 'trisection of the angle with ruler and
compass', when people are trying to do it, and, on the other hand, when it has
been proved that there is no such thing.’
.mathematics is a rule-governed propositional action
mathematical problems are game problems –
the question facing the mathematician here is which game –
which set of rules will solve a game problem?
where there is no solution mathematicians will consider
creating a new game to solve the problem – or they will reformulate or abandon
the problem
the history of the problem of the trisection of the angle
with ruler and compass is a good example of this methodology
it is possible to trisect an arbitrary angle using
tools other than straightedge and compass – i.e. a neusis construction which
involves the simultaneous sliding and
rotation of a straightedge –
this was a method used by ancient Greeks
other methods have been developed over time by mathematicians
the ‘proof of impossibility’ comes down to an
algebraic argument –
if you accept the premises – the mathematics of
this argument – then the conclusion follows –
i.e. it can be shown that a 60° cannot be trisected
the question this raises is just whether the
mathematics employed here fits the task –
and indeed – whether there is a ‘real’ problem here
at all –
or is it just that we have a language-game – a
clever algebraic game – played in the wrong context?
335. ‘What happens when we make an effort—say in writing a
letter—to find the right expression for our thoughts?—This
phrase
compares the process to one of translating or describing: the
thoughts
are already there (perhaps were there in advance) and we merely
look for their expression. This picture is more or less appropriate
in
different cases.—But can't all sorts of things happen here?—I
surrender
to a mood and the expression comes. Or a picture occurs to me
and I
try to describe it. Or an English expression occurs to me
and I try
to hit on the corresponding German one. Or I make a gesture,
and
ask myself: What words correspond to this gesture? And so
on.
Now if it were asked: "Do you have the thought before
finding
the expression?" what would one have to reply? And
what, to the
question: "What did the thought consist in, as it
existed before its
expression?"’
‘What happens when we make an effort—say in writing a letter—to
find the right expression for our thoughts?’
any number of things can happen – and Wittgenstein mentions
some of these –
the issue is – are you going to approach this matter logically
or not?
the logical approach is the critical approach
the approach of question – of doubt – of exploring uncertainty
‘Now if it were asked: "Do you have the thought before
finding the expression?"
the ‘thought’ here is the proposal
and the question is do we have the proposal before making it
public?
I would say sometimes we do – and sometimes we don’t
sometimes we critically evaluate what we are about to
express
at other times – we express the proposal – and then
critically evaluate it
really – it is not relevant when a proposal is put to
question –
the logical point is that it is open to question –
open to doubt and uncertain
336. ‘This case is similar to the one in which someone
imagines
that one could not think a sentence with the remarkable word
order
of German or Latin just as it stands. One first has to think
it, and then
one arranges the words in that queer order. (A French politician
once
wrote that it was a peculiarity of the French language that
in it
words occur in the order in which one thinks them.)’
how one constructs a proposition – is neither here nor there
–
the issue is the proposition as put
337. ‘But didn't I already
intend the whole construction of the
sentence (for example) at its beginning? So surely it already
existed in
my mind before I said it out loud!—If it was in my mind,
still it would
not normally be there in some different word order. But here
we are
constructing a misleading picture of 'intending', that is,
of the use of
this word. An intention is embedded in its situation, in human
customs and institutions. If the technique of the game of
chess did
not exist, I could not intend to play a game of chess. In so
far as I do
intend the construction of a sentence in advance, that is
made possible
by the fact that I can speak the language in question.’
‘But didn't I already intend the whole construction of the
sentence (for example) at its beginning? So surely it already existed in my
mind before I said it out loud.’
an intention to propose – is not the proposal put –
i.e. you may have the intention to put a proposal – but not
do so –
the intention is still there – but the proposal is not
you actually don’t know the proposal – until it is put –
either privately – or publicly
and in any case – the proposal – and its construction – is
nevertheless – open to question – open to doubt – and uncertain
338. ‘After all, one can only say something if one has learned
to
talk. Therefore in order to want to say something one
must also have
mastered a language; and yet it is clear that one can want
to speak
without speaking. Just as one can want to dance without
dancing.
And when we think about this, we grasp at the image
of dancing,
speaking, etc.’
‘After all, one can only say something if one has learned to
talk’
yes – but does one learn to propose?
isn’t proposing – in whatever form – basic to human beings?
I might use language – verbal – written – signed –
I might use drawings –
I might use inarticulate sounds –
in all these cases – proposals
339. ‘Thinking is not an incorporeal process which lends life
and
sense to speaking, and which it would be possible to detach from
speaking, rather as the Devil took the shadow of Schlemiehl
from the
ground.——But how "not an incorporeal process"? Am
I acquainted
with incorporeal processes, then, only thinking is not one
of them?
No; I called the expression "an incorporeal process"
to my aid in my
embarrassment when I was trying to explain the meaning of the
word
"thinking" in a primitive way.
One might say "Thinking is an incorporeal
process", however, if
one were using this to distinguish the grammar of the word
"think"
from that of, say, the word "eat". Only that makes
the difference
between the meanings look too slight. (It is like saying:
numerals are
actual, and numbers non-actual, objects.) An unsuitable type
of
expression is a sure means of remaining in a state of confusion.
It as
it were bars the way out.’
the nature of ‘thinking’ – is open to question – open to
doubt – and uncertain
not everyone is ‘embarrassed’ to propose that thinking is an
incorporeal process –
the point here is that if ‘thinking’ as an ‘incorporeal
process’ – has function – for someone – in some propositional context – then that
definition of thinking will be used –
and that definition of thinking – as with any other – will be
open to question – open to doubt – and uncertain
‘One might say "Thinking is an incorporeal process",
however, if one were using this to distinguish the grammar of the word "think"
from that of, say, the word "eat".’
the problem with Wittgenstein’s notion of ‘grammar’ – is that
it has no critical dimension
for Wittgenstein – grammar effectively comes down to just
how language is used –
without any question – without any doubt – and without the
exploration of propositional uncertainty –
what Wittgenstein’s ‘grammar misses’ is the uncertainty that
is essential to propositional use – that is its logic
and as a result he completely misses the creative dimension
of language use
Wittgenstein’s ‘grammar’ is the grammar of a dead language
340. ‘One cannot guess how a word functions. One has to look
at its use and learn from that.
But the difficulty is to remove the prejudice which stands in
the way
of doing this. It is not a stupid prejudice.’
yes – look at its use and see how it functions –
and seeing how a word functions and looking at its use –
will involve – question – doubt – and dealing with propositional uncertainty –
‘But the difficulty is to remove the prejudice which stands
in the way of doing this. It is not a stupid prejudice.’
well does anyone just look at a word to see how it functions
– that is without any notion of its use –
without any question – doubt – or uncertainty?
I don’t think so
no –‘this prejudice is not stupid’-
it just doesn’t exist – it’s not there
341. ‘Speech with and without thought is to be compared with
the
playing of a piece of music with and without thought.’
it’s an interesting proposal – open to question – open to
doubt – and uncertain
342. ‘William James, in order to shew that thought is possible
without speech, quotes the recollection of a deaf-mute, Mr.
Ballard,
who wrote that in his early youth, even before he could
speak, he
had had thoughts about God and the world.—What can he have
meant?—Ballard writes: "It was during those delightful
rides, some
two or three years before my initiation into the rudiments
of written
language, that I began to ask myself the question: how came
the
world into being?"—Are you sure—one would like to
ask—that this
is the correct translation of your wordless thought into words?
And
why does this question—which otherwise seems not to exist—raise
its head here? Do I want to say that the writer's memory
deceives
him?—I don't even know if I should say that. These
recollections area
queer memory phenomenon,—and I do not know what conclusions
one can draw from them about the past of the man who recounts
them.’
thought without speech?
Wittgenstein is right to call the William James / Mr
Ballard’s account – to question – to doubt – and to focus on its uncertainty
however the opposing view that there can be no thought
without language – is likewise open to question
perhaps there is thought without language –
if so – that thought could not be expressed in language – by
those without language –
however there might be i.e.
a scientific / neurological account of thought without language –
any such an account would come with a number of philosophical
issues
nevertheless such a theory might have use – and use in any
number of propositional contexts
in any case – the logic of the matter is this –
any proposal put –
is open to question – open to doubt – and is uncertain
‘The words with which I express my memory are my
memory-reaction.’
the words with which I express my memory are my memory
proposal
a proposal – open to question – open to doubt – and uncertain
344. ‘Would it be imaginable that people should never speak
an
audible language, but should still say things to themselves
in the
imagination?
"If people always said things only to themselves, then they
would
merely be doing always what as it is they do
sometimes."—So it is quite
easy to imagine this: one need only make the easy transition
from some
to all. (Like: "An infinitely long row of trees is
simply one that does
not come to an end.") Our criterion for someone's saying
something
to himself is what he tells us and the rest of his behaviour;
and we only
say that someone speaks to himself if, in the ordinary sense
of the
words, he can speak. And we do not say it of a parrot;
nor of a
gramophone.’
‘Would it be imaginable that people should never speak an
audible language, but should still say things to themselves in the imagination?’
yes – it is imaginable –
inaudible proposals are – as with any proposal – open to
question – open to doubt – and uncertain
‘Our criterion for someone's saying something to himself is
what he tells us and the rest of his behaviour; and we only say that someone
speaks to himself if, in the ordinary sense of the words, he can speak.
And we do not say it of a parrot; nor of a
gramophone.’
if someone only spoke to himself – others would not know this
–
unless that person communicated this fact by some other
means – i.e. by writing that
he only speaks to himself
and we do not say of a parrot or of a gramophone – that these
speak to themselves
reason: they are not human beings
though in a cartoon – or a piece of imaginative fiction – this could well be said
345. ‘"What sometimes happens might always
happen."—What
kind of proposition is that? It is like the following: If
"F(a)" makes
sense "(x).F(x)" makes sense.
"If it is possible for someone to make a false move in some
game,
then it might be possible for everybody to make nothing but
false
moves in every game."—Thus we are under a temptation to
misunderstand the logic of our expressions here, to give an
incorrect
account of the use of our words.
Orders are sometimes not obeyed. But what would it be like
if no
orders were ever obeyed? The concept 'order' would have lost
its
purpose.’
‘"What sometimes happens might always happen."—What
kind of proposition is that?’
it is a proposal – open to question – open to doubt –
and uncertain
‘It is like the following: If "F(a)"
makes sense "(x).F(x)" makes sense.’
‘(x).F(x)’ – is a generalization of F(a)"
– both proposals are open to question – open to doubt – and uncertain
‘If it is possible for someone to make a false move in some
game, then it might be possible for everybody to make nothing but false moves
in every game.’
another generalization – open to question
‘Thus we are under a temptation to misunderstand the logic
of our expressions here, to give an incorrect account of the use of our words.’
there is no incorrect account of the use of our words –
there are only different uses – and different accounts
any use – and any account – is open to question – open to
doubt – and uncertain
‘Orders are sometimes not obeyed. But what would it be like
if no orders were ever obeyed? The concept 'order' would have lost its purpose.’
I don’t know that it would have lost its purpose – but where
no orders are obeyed –
an order would be useless
346. ‘But couldn't we imagine God's suddenly giving a parrot
understanding, and its now saying things to itself?—But here
it is an
important fact that I imagined a deity in order to imagine
this.’
the proposal that a deity gives a parrot understanding – as
with any proposal – is a proposal – open to question – open to doubt – and uncertain
347. ‘"But at least I know from my own case what it
means 'to
say things to oneself'. And if I were deprived of the organs
of speech,
I could still talk to myself.
"If I know it only from my own case, then I know
only what I call
that, not what anyone else does.’
what I know – is what I propose – to myself – or to others
and what I propose to myself – or to others – is open to question
– open to doubt – and is uncertain
348. ‘"These deaf-mutes have learned only a
gesture-language, but
each of them talks to himself inwardly in a vocal language."
Now,
don't you understand that?—But how do I know whether I understand
it?!—What can I do with this information (if it is such)? The
whole idea of understanding smells fishy here. I do not know
whether
I am to say I understand it or don't understand it. I might
answer
"It's an English sentence; apparently quite in order—that
is, until one
wants to do something with it; it has a connexion with other
sentences
which makes it difficult for us to say that nobody really
knows what
it tells us; but everyone who has not become calloused by
doing
philosophy notices that there is something wrong here."’
there is nothing wrong here
any proposal – in any form – is open to question – open to
doubt and uncertain
our understanding – is uncertain
349. ‘"But this supposition surely makes good
sense!"—Yes; in
ordinary circumstances these words and this picture have an
application
with which we are familiar.—But if we suppose a case in which
this
application falls away we become as it were conscious for
the first
time of the nakedness of the words and the picture.’
an application – if it has a use – or its use ‘falls away’ –
is a proposal – open to question – open to doubt and uncertain
the ‘nakedness of our words and pictures’ – is a description
of the essential logical characteristic of the proposal –
the essential logical characteristic of the proposal – is
that it is open
we become aware – if we are not already – of the openness of
our proposals – when our proposals are put to question – put to doubt – and when
we explore their uncertainty
this exploration of propositional uncertainty – is what we
do – it is how we live
350. ‘"But if I suppose that someone has a pain, then I
am simply
supposing that he has just the same as I have so often had."—That
gets us no further. It is as if I were to say: "You
surely know what
'It is 5 o'clock here' means; so you also know what 'It's 5
o'clock on
the sun' means. It means simply that it is just the same time
there as
it is here when it is 5 o'clock."—The explanation by
means of identity
does not work here. For I know well enough that one can call
5 o'clock
here and 5 o'clock there "the same time", but what
I do not know is
in what cases one is to speak of its being the same time
here and there.
In exactly the same way it is no explanation to say: the
supposition
that he has a pain is simply the supposition that he has the
same as I.
For that part of the grammar is quite clear to me: that
is, that one will
say that the stove has the same experience as I, if
one says: it is in pain
and I am in pain.’
‘But if I suppose that someone has a pain, then I am simply
supposing that he has just the same as I have so often had.’
only if your supposition is without thought – is uncritical
–
yes – you suppose he is in pain – but how would you know it
is the same pain that you have experienced?
and in any case – isn’t it more likely that it is different?
he’s different to you – and the circumstance of his pain is
different
also – perhaps it is more intense – perhaps it is not as
localized as the pain you remember –
etc. – etc. –
‘The explanation by means of identity does not work
here.’ –
because the explanation of identity – is dumb –
any critical evaluation shows it to be full of holes
this is not about generalizing ‘the grammar’ to apply to
stoves –
that is plainly ridiculous and stupid –
what we have is proposals – proposals – open to question –
open to doubt – and uncertain
and any so called ‘grammar’ – is in the same boat
351. ‘Yet we go on wanting to say: "Pain is
pain—whether he
has it, or I have it; and however I come to know whether he
has a
pain or not."—-I might agree.—And when you ask me
"Don't you
know, then, what I mean when I say that the stove is in
pain?"—I
can reply: These words may lead me to have all sorts of
images; but
their usefulness goes no further. And I can also imagine
something
in connexion with the words: "It was just 5 o'clock in
the afternoon
on the sun"—such as a grandfather clock which points to
5.—But a
still better example would be that of the application of
"above" and
"below" to the earth. Here we all have a quite
clear idea of what
"above" and "below" mean. I see well
enough that I am on top;
the earth is surely beneath me! (And don't smile at this example.
We are indeed all taught at school that it is stupid to talk
like that.
But it is much easier to bury a problem than to solve it.)
And it is
only reflection that shews us that in this case "above"
and "below"
cannot be used in the ordinary way. (That we might, for instance,
say
that the people at the antipodes are 'below' our part of the
earth, but
it must also be recognized as right for them to use the same
expression
about us.)’
‘Yet we go on wanting to say: "Pain is pain—whether he
has it, or I have it; and however I come to know whether he has a pain or
not."
yes – but just what pain is – and how it affects those who experience
it – is open to question – open to doubt and is uncertain
‘the stove is in pain’ – really would only functions in a context of imaginative fiction
or an as an illustration of faulty logic
"It was just 5 o'clock in the afternoon on the
sun"—such as a grandfather clock which points to 5’
this proposal might work if Lewis Carroll was to put it in
one of his works –
or it might be used as an introduction to the philosophy of
time
‘above’ and ‘below’ – once you get beyond everyday usage – are
open to question – open to doubt – and uncertain
352. ‘Here it happens that our thinking plays us a queer
trick.
We want, that is, to quote the law of excluded middle and to
say:
"Either such an image is in his mind, or it is not;
there is no third
possibility!"—We encounter this queer argument also in
other regions
of philosophy. "In the decimal expansion of p¢either
the group "7777"
occurs, or it does not—there is no third possibility."
That is to say:"
God sees—but we don't know." But what does that mean?—We
use a picture; the picture of a visible series which one person
sees the
whole of and another not. The law of excluded middle says here:
It must either look like this, or like that. So it really—and
this is a
truism—says nothing at all, but gives us a picture. And the
problem
ought now to be: does reality accord with the picture or
not? And this
picture seems to determine what we have to do, what
to look for, and
how—but it does not do so, just because we do not know how
it is to
be applied. Here saying "There is no third
possibility" or "But there
can't be a third possibility!"—expresses our inability
to turn our eyes
away from this picture: a picture which looks as if it must
already
contain both the problem and its solution, while all the time
we feel
that it is not so.
Similarly when it is said "Either he has this experience,
or not"—
what primarily occurs to us is a picture which by itself
seems to make
the sense of the expressions unmistakable: "Now
you know what is in
question"—we should like to say. And that is precisely
what it does
not tell him.’
the law of the excluded middle is dead
it is dead once you understand that any proposal – is open
to question – open to doubt – and is uncertain
this so called ‘law of the excluded middle’ – is nothing
more than an attempt to hijack logic – actually to deny it – to deny the
logical reality of the proposal – of the proposition – and to negate – and
outlaw – critical thinking –
the best you could say for it is that it is a parlour game
353. ‘Asking whether and how a proposition can be verified is
only
a particular way of asking "How d' you mean?" The
answer is a
contribution to the grammar of the proposition.’
you can ask ‘how d’ya mean?’ – with no thought of verification
–
‘how d’ya mean?’ – is to ask how someone understands the use
of the proposition
if by ‘grammar’ – you mean how a proposition is used – then
yes –
an answer to the question – ‘how d’ya mean?’ – you could say
– is a contribution to the proposition’s grammar
however any answer here is open to question – open to doubt
– and is uncertain –
any account of a proposition’s grammar / usage – is open to
question
the real issue is not usage – or ‘grammar’ – if that’s how you
see it
the logical concern is the critical evaluation of usage
as to verification –
a proposition is true if assented to – false if dissented
from
verification – is whatever account you give for your assent
falsification – whatever account is given for dissent from
the proposition
and any account of verification – or falsification – is open
to question – open to doubt – and is uncertain
is your account of verification a particular way of asking
‘how d’ya mean?’? –
that is to say – is your account of verification a
particular way of asking – how do you use this proposition?
I don’t think so
I think an account of verification is an account of why
you have decided to proceed with the proposition –
not what use you put the proposition to
354. ‘The fluctuation in grammar between criteria and
symptoms
makes it look as if there were nothing at all but symptoms.
We say,
for example: "Experience teaches that there is rain
when the barometer
falls, but it also teaches that there is rain when we have
certain
sensations of wet and cold, or such-and-such visual
impressions." In
defence of this one says that these sense-impressions can
deceive us.
But here one fails to reflect that the fact that the false
appearance is
precisely one of rain is founded on a definition.’
this so called ‘fluctuations between criteria and symptoms’
–
really just points to the fact that any approach to the proposition
– any assessment of the proposition – occurs in the context of logical uncertainty
further – any definition – is open to question – open to
doubt – and is uncertain
355. ‘The point here is not that our sense-impressions can
lie,
but that we understand their language. (And this language
like any
other is founded on convention.)’
the point here is that our sense impressions are proposals
– open to question – open to doubt – and uncertain
‘and this language like any other’ – is open to question – open
to doubt – and is uncertain
356. ‘One is inclined to say: "Either it is raining, or
it isn't—how I
know, how the information has reached me, is another
matter."
But then let us put the question like this: What do I call
"information
that it is raining"? (Or have I only information of
this information
too?) And what gives this 'information' the character of
information
about something? Doesn't the form of our expression mislead
us here?
For isn't it a misleading metaphor to say: "My eyes
give me the
information that there is a chair over there"?’
‘What do I call "information that it is raining"?
(Or have I only information of this information too?) And what gives this
'information' the character of information about something?’
what informs the proposal ‘it is raining’? –
is really to ask for an explanation of the proposal
and if you put forward an explanation of the explanation –
you put forward a proposal –
what we deal with is proposals – proposals open to question
– open to doubt – and uncertain
‘For isn't it a misleading metaphor to say: "My eyes
give me the information that there is a chair over there"?’
no – it is not misleading at all –
all you have here is a proposal – open to question – open to
doubt – and uncertain
uncertain yes – but not misleading
357. ‘We do not say that possibly a dog talks to itself.
Is that
because we are so minutely acquainted with its soul? Well, one
might
say this: If one sees the behaviour of a living thing, one
sees its soul.—
But do I also say in my own case that I am saying something
to myself,
because I am behaving in such-and-such a way?—I do not
say it
from observation of my behaviour. But it only makes sense
because I do
behave in this way.—Then it is not because I mean it that it
makes sense?’
if I say to myself – ‘I am saying something to myself’ –
then I am putting a proposal –
a proposal I do not make public –
whether it makes sense or not has nothing to do with the fact
that I am saying it to myself
as with any proposal – put privately – or made public –
whether it makes sense or not – is open to question – open to doubt – and is
uncertain
358. ‘But isn't it our meaning it that gives sense to
the sentence?
(And here, of course, belongs the fact that one cannot mean
a senseless
series of words.) And 'meaning it' is something in the
sphere of the
mind. But it is also something private! It is the intangible
something;
only comparable to consciousness itself.
How could this seem ludicrous? It is, as it were, a dream of
our
language.’
‘But isn't it our meaning it that gives sense to the
sentence?
‘meaning it’ – amounts to being uncritical regarding
the sentence –
and often what ‘meaning it’ amounts to is some rhetorical show
–
the sense of a sentence
is open to question – open to doubt – and uncertain
a rational view of sense – is a critical view of sense
‘(And here, of course, belongs the fact that one cannot mean
a senseless series of words.)’
you can be uncritical regarding any series of words
you can thump the table in a rhetorical gesture – and so
show that you mean this series of words
again – whether they are senseless or not – is open to question
‘And 'meaning it' is something in the sphere of the mind. But
it is also something private!’
you can be uncritical regarding a proposal that you don’t
make public
but if made public – ‘meaning it’ – is usually accompanied
by some behaviour designed to persuade others to accept your proposal
‘It is the intangible something; only comparable to
consciousness itself.’
it is not an intangible something – it is the failure to critically
evaluate what you propose
‘How could this seem ludicrous? It is, as it were, a dream
of our language.’
it is not ludicrous – it is uncritical
‘a dream of our language’? – or – rhetorical rubbish
359. ‘Could a machine think?——Could it be in pain?—Well, is
the human body to be called such a machine? It surely comes
as close
as possible to being such a machine.’
could a machine think?
the issue here is how you understand – how you define ‘machine’
and ‘think’
and the same applies to ‘pain’
and the proposal – ‘that human body comes as close as
possible to being a machine’?
‘close as possible’ – doesn’t really take the issue anywhere?
what we have here is a series of proposals – all of which are
open to question – open to doubt – and uncertain
360. ‘But a machine surely cannot think!—Is that an empirical
statement? No. We only say of a human being and what is like
one
that it thinks. We also say it of dolls and no doubt of spirits
too.
Look at the word "to think" as a tool.’
‘But a machine surely cannot think!—Is that an empirical
statement? No.’
whether it is an empirical question or not – it is open to
question
‘We only say of a human being and what is like one that it
thinks. We also say it of dolls and no doubt of spirits too.’
wouldn’t you say determining customary language practise – is
an empirical issue?
but the question – whether a machine can think – is not a question
of customary language practise – it is a critical issue –
an issue open to question – open to doubt – and uncertain
you can look at the word ‘to think’ – in many way – and yes
– one of which is – as a ‘tool’ –
the point is any proposal as to how we understand ‘to think’
– is open to question – open to doubt – and is uncertain
361. ‘The chair is thinking to itself: .....
WHERE? In one of its parts? Or outside its body; in the air
around it? Or not anywhere at all? But then what is
the difference
between this chair's saying something to itself and another
one's
doing so, next to it?—But then how is it with man: where
does he say
things to himself? How does it come about that this question
seems
senseless; and that no specification of a place is necessary
except just
that this man is saying something to himself? Whereas the
question
where the chair talks to itself seems to demand an answer.—The
reason
is: we want to know how the chair is supposed to be like a
human
being; whether, for instance, the head is at the top of the
back and so on.
What is it like to say something to oneself; what happens
here?—
How am I to explain it? Well, only as you might teach
someone the
meaning of the expression "to say something to
oneself". And certainly
we learn the meaning of that as children.—Only no one is going
to
say that the person who teaches it to us tells us 'what takes
place'.’
‘Only no one is going to say that the
person who teaches it to us tells us 'what takes place'.’
well the question – ‘what takes place’? – is fair enough –
and perhaps a bright child might ask this question
likely the answer – would be – ‘I don’t know’ –
however there are other answers – philosophical and scientific
and any such answer – is open to question – open to doubt –
and uncertain
in a final sense we come back to ‘I don’t know’ –
intellectual vanity will rail against this –
but the hard reality is – we don’t know
yes – we put proposals to defy this reality – and it is
necessary for our survival to do just this –
our knowledge is what we propose – against the unknown
and our knowledge –
is open to question – open to doubt – and uncertain
the unknown is silent
362. ‘Rather it seems to us as though in this case the
instructor
imparted the meaning to the pupil—without telling him it
directly;
but in the end the pupil is brought to the point of giving himself
the
correct ostensive definition. And this is where our illusion
is.’
the definition – ostensive – or not – is not an illusion – it
is a proposal –
logically speaking – open to question – open to doubt – and uncertain
363. ‘"But when 1 imagine something, something certainly
happens!”
Well, something happens—and then I make a noise. What for?
Presumably
in order to tell what happens.—But how is telling
done? When
are we said to tell anything?—What is the language-game
of telling?
I should like to say: you regard it much too much as a
matter of
course that one can tell anything to anyone. That is to say:
we are
so much accustomed to communication through language, in
conversation, that it looks to us as if the whole point of
communication
lay in this: someone else grasps the sense of my words—which
is
something mental: he as it were takes it into his own mind.
If he
then does something further with it as well, that is no part
of the
immediate purpose of language.
One would like to say "Telling brings it about that he
knows that
I am in pain; it produces this mental phenomenon; everything
else is
inessential to the telling." As for what this queer
phenomenon of
knowledge is—there is time enough for that. Mental processes
just
are queer. (It is as if one said: "The clock tells us
the time. What
time is, is not yet settled. And as for what one tells the
time for—that
doesn't come in here.")’
‘What is the language-game of telling?’
it is no game – no language-game – it is proposing
‘someone else grasps the sense of my words—which is
something mental: he as it were takes it into his own mind. If he then does
something further with it as well, that is no part of the immediate purpose of
language.’
what happens is we assume – a grasp of our words – if
a grasp is indicated –
but the logical reality is – we can’t really know
whether another understands what you say is always – open to
question
generally speaking we proceed on the assumption that the other
understands what we say
this assumption is open to question – open to doubt – and is
uncertain
‘which is something mental’ –
this is an explanation of the ‘grasp’ – of the ‘grasping’
–
and as with any explanation – open to question
I think you can drop all this explanatory back story
business – and just operate with proposal –
it is logically cleaner – and to the point
‘If he then does something further with it as well, that is
no part of the immediate purpose of language.’
and really – the question of the purpose of language – is not
relevant here
anything he does further with it – will be a proposal –
again what we are dealing with is proposal – proposal put –
proposal received – proposal acted on
this ‘purpose of language’ – is unnecessary baggage
‘Telling brings it about that he knows that I am in pain; it
produces this mental phenomenon; everything else is inessential to the telling.
telling is proposing –
I assume that when I put the proposition ‘I am in pain’ – he
knows that I am in pain
I assume this – and assumption is enough here
everything else is inessential to the proposing
‘As for what this queer phenomenon of knowledge is—there is
time enough for that. Mental processes just are queer.’
knowledge is not a queer phenomenon – it is proposing –
and proposing is natural to human beings
as for mental processes –
explanatory proposals – open to question – open to doubt –
and – uncertain –
smoke ‘em – if you got ‘em
‘(It is as if one said: "The clock tells us the time. What
time is, is not yet settled. And as for what one tells the time for—that
doesn't come in here.")’
logically speaking ‘mental processes’ are a back story –
not relevant to what is going ion – just a form of packaging
–
and most people are happy to have their gift wrapped
364. ‘Someone does a sum in his head. He uses the result,
let's say,
for building a bridge or a machine.—Are you trying to say
that he
has not really arrived at this number by calculation?
That it has, say,
just 'come' to him in the manner of a kind of dream? There surely
must
have been calculation going on, and there was. For he knows
that,
and how, he calculated; and the correct result he got would
be
inexplicable without calculation.——But what if I said:
"It strikes
him as if he had calculated. And why should the correct
result be
explicable? Is it not incomprehensible enough, that without
saying a
word, without making a note, he was able to CALCULATE?"—
Is calculating in the imagination in some sense less real
than
calculating on paper? It is real—calculation-in-the-head.—Is
it like
calculation on paper?—I don't know whether to call it like.
Is a bit
of white paper with black lines on it like a human body?’
calculation is a rule-governed propositional game
calculation is a game
whether this game is played privately – or publicly – is
neither here nor there
‘Is calculating in the imagination in some sense less real than
calculating on paper?’
no
‘Is a bit of white paper with black lines on it like a human
body?’ –
cartoonists and graphic artists might say so
it’s an imaginative proposal –
open to question
365. ‘Do Adelheid and the Bishop play a real game of chess?—Of
course. They are not merely pretending—which would also be
possible
as part of a play.—But, for example, the game has no beginning!—
Of course it has; otherwise it would not be a game of
chess.— ’
this game of chess occurs in one of Goethe’s plays –
is it a real game? – no – but it is a reference to the real
game of chess
366. ‘Is a sum in the head less real than a sum on paper?—Perhaps
one is inclined to say’ some such thing; but one can get
oneself to think
the opposite as well by telling oneself: paper, ink, etc.
are only logical
constructions out of our sense-data.
"I have done the multiplication ..... in my
head"—do I perhaps
not believe such a statement?—But was it really a multiplication?
It
was not merely 'a' multiplication, but this one—in the
head. This is
the point at which I go wrong. For I now want to say: it was
some
mental process corresponding to the multiplication on
paper. So it
would make sense to say: "This process in the
mind corresponds to
this process on paper." And it would then make sense to
talk of a
method of projection according to which the image of the
sign was a
representation of the sign itself.’
calculation is a game – a rule-governed propositional game
you can describe this game as a ‘mental process’ or ‘a sum on
paper’ – the fact is – however described – it is still a rule-governed
propositional action
where it is played – is logically irrelevant
such descriptions as ‘mental process’ and ‘a sum on paper’ are neither here nor
there
they are propositional
packaging
367. ‘The mental picture is the picture which is described
when
someone describes what he imagines.’
what he imagines is what he proposes
how he describes what he proposes – i.e. ‘a mental picture’
– is not logically relevant
what is logically relevant is that the proposal – the proposition
– is put to question – put to doubt – and its uncertainty explored
368. ‘I describe a room to someone, and then get him to paint
an
impressionistic picture from this description to shew
that he has
understood it.—Now he paints the chairs which I described as
green,
dark red; where I said "yellow", he paints blue.—That
is the impression
which he got of that room. And now I say: "Quite right!
That's what
it's like.’
the response – "Quite right! That's what it's like.” –
is open to question – it is open to doubt – and as with any proposal – uncertain
369. ‘One would like to ask: "What is it like—what
happens—
when one does a sum in one's head?"—And in a particular
case the
answer may be "First I add 17 and 18, then I subtract
39 .... .".
But that is not the answer to our question. What is called doing
sums
in one's head is not explained by such an answer.’
the answer – "First I add 17 and 18, then I subtract 39
.... ." – is fair enough
‘What is called doing sums in one's head is not explained by
such an answer.’ –
any answer – any proposed explanation – is open to question
– open to doubt – and is uncertain
370. ‘One ought to ask, not what images are or what happens
when
one imagines anything, but how the word
"imagination" is used.
But that does not mean that I want to talk only about words.
For the
question as to the nature of the imagination is as much about
the word
"imagination" as my question is. And I am only
saying that this
question is not to be decided—neither for the person who
does the
imagining, nor for anyone else—by pointing; nor yet by a
description
of any process. The first question also asks for a word to be
explained;
but it makes us expect a wrong kind of answer.’
‘One ought to ask, not what images are or what happens when
one imagines anything, but how the word "imagination" is used.’
seeing how the word ‘imagination’ is used – is to explore the
propositional landscape of the imagination –
it is to take a propositional tour
that is all very well – however the logical issue is not looking
– the logical issue is critical evaluation
‘For the question as to the nature of the imagination is as
much about the word
"imagination" as my question is.’
this question of the nature of the imagination – is a matter
open to question – open to doubt and uncertain
‘And I am only saying that this question is not to be
decided—neither for the person who does the imagining, nor for anyone else—by pointing.’
you could point to a work of the imagination – such as a painting
or a sculpture – and say ‘that is imagination’ –
and yes – an unusual use of the word ‘imagination’ – and a
use – as with any use – open to question – open to doubt – and uncertain
but would that decide the question?
logically speaking no question is ever decided
and there are no wrong answers
371. ‘Essence is expressed by grammar.’
‘Essence is expressed by grammar’ –
grammar is a proposal of propositional structure
any such proposal is open to question – open to doubt – and
uncertain –
what is expressed by grammar –
is open to question – open to doubt – and uncertain
‘essence’ – is uncertain
372. ‘Consider: "The only correlate in language to an
intrinsic
necessity is an arbitrary rule. It is the only thing which
one can milk
out of this intrinsic necessity into a proposition."’
‘intrinsic necessity’?
a proposal that is not open to question – not open to doubt
– and is certain?
a proposal that is not open to question – not open to doubt
– and certain – is not a proposal – it is a prejudice
as to an ‘arbitrary rule’ – all rules are arbitrary
a rule determines a propositional game
when you play a propositional game – you play in accordance
with the rule
if you question the rule – you are not playing the game –
if you question a rule – you are engaged in a critical
activity –
outside of the game mode of propositional activity –
a rule is a proposal – open to question – open to doubt –
and uncertain
373. ‘Grammar tells what kind of object anything is.
(Theology
as grammar.)’
any account of what there is – of what kind of object there
is – is a proposal
and any such proposal – is open to question – open to doubt –
and uncertain
a grammar is a proposal of propositional structure
theology is a proposal – or set of proposals regarding the
nature of God – and of religious traditions
as for ‘theology as grammar’ –
I would be surprised if any theologian took this seriously –
and I imagine grammarians would think this ‘construction’ to
be corrupt
be that as it may –
what we get from Wittgenstein here – is the attempt to
bolster the significance of grammar with a reference to God
and this proposal of ‘grammar as theology’ – is really no
different to the mysticism and essentialism of the Tractatus
374. ‘The great difficulty here is not to represent the
matter as if
there were something one couldn't do. As if there
really were an object,
from which I derive its description, but I were unable to
shew it to
anyone.———And the best that I can propose is that we should
yield
to the temptation to use this picture, but then investigate how
the
application of the picture goes.’
‘objects’ are proposals
a description of an object is a proposal – a proposal put in
relation to the subject proposal – the object
and yes – we can use these descriptions / proposals – and critically
investigate them –
which is to say – put them to question – put them to doubt –
and explore their uncertainty
375. ‘How does one teach anyone to read to himself? How does
one know if he can do so? How does he himself know that he
is doing
what is required of him?’
presumably you teach someone to read normally –
and then tell theme to read without speaking
how does one know if he can do it – and how does he himself
know that he is doing what is required of him?
ask him to speak out what he read to himself
376. ‘When I say the ABC to myself, what is the criterion of
my
doing the same as someone else who silently repeats it to
himself?
It might be found that the same thing took place in my
larynx and in
his. (And similarly when we both think of the same thing,
wish the
same, and so on.) But then did we learn the use of the
words: "to
say such-and-such to oneself" by someone's pointing to
a process in
the larynx or the brain? Is it not also perfectly possible
that my image
of the sound a and his correspond to different physiological
processes?
The question is: How do we compare images?’
‘When I say the ABC to myself, what is the criterion of my doing
the same as someone else who silently repeats it to himself?’
you could ask him what he has done –
and decide on the basis of what he says
‘But then did we learn the use of the words: "to say
such-and-such to oneself" by someone's pointing to a process in the larynx
or the brain?’
no –
we learnt the use of the words by someone getting us to say
something – and then asking us to say it without speaking
‘Is it not also perfectly possible that my image of the sound
a and his correspond to different physiological processes? The question is: How
do we compare images?’
we do our best to make them public in some way –
and if we can manage this we can look to see how they are
similar – and how they are different –
any comparison is open to question – open to doubt – and is uncertain
as for whether they correspond to different physiological processes
–
that would be a question for physiologists to play around
with
377. ‘Perhaps a logician will think: The same is the same—-how
identity is established is a psychological question. (High is
high—
it is a matter of psychology that one sometimes sees,
and sometimes
hears it.)
What is the criterion for the sameness of two images?—What
is
the criterion for the redness of an image? For me, when it
is someone
else's image: what he says and does. For myself, when it is
my image:
nothing. And what goes for "red" also goes for
"same".’
‘The same is the same’ – tells us nothing –
identity is a game concept – it’s origin is mathematical
– and it is a concept of formal logic
mathematics and formal logic – are propositional games
what identity amounts to is a substitution rule
outside of the propositional game context – any claim of identity
– is a proposal – open to question – open to doubt – and uncertain
‘What is the criterion for the sameness of two images?’
how do we decide if two images are the same?
the only way is to have them made public in some fashion –
and then a comparison
can be made –
and any claim of sameness or difference – is open to question
– open to doubt – and uncertain
‘For me, when it is someone else's image: what he says and
does. For myself, when it is my image: nothing.’
when it is your image – it is not nothing – it is a proposal
– open to question – open to doubt – and uncertain
‘And what goes for "red" also goes for "same".’
what goes for ‘red’ – and what goes for ‘same’ – whatever that
is – is open to question – open to doubt and is uncertain
378. ‘"Before I judge that two images which I have are
the same,
I must recognize them as the same." And when that has
happened,
how am I to know that the word "same" describes
what I recognize?
Only if I can express my recognition in some other way, and
if it is
possible for someone else to teach me that "same"
is the correct word
here.
For if I need a justification for using a word, it must also
be one for
someone else.’
‘"Before I judge that two images which I have are the
same, I must recognize them as the same."
you have a criterion for determining sameness –
and then you apply it to the two images
you don’t recognise them as being the same until you apply
your criterion of sameness
and as for that criterion – whatever that may be – it is
open to question – open to doubt – and uncertain
you work with what you have got – and you keep an open mind
‘And when that has happened, how am I to know that the word
"same" describes what I recognize?’
you propose that it does –
you might fall back on some other recognition in determining
your use of the word
what someone else has told you may figure in it too
in any case – what you propose – is open to question – open
to doubt – and is uncertain
‘For if I need a justification for using a word, it must also
be one for
someone else.’
Wittgenstein may never have met a poet – and most certainly
never met my mother
379. ‘First I am aware of it as this; and then I
remember what it
is called.—Consider: in what cases is it right to say this?’
‘this’ – is a propositional place –
a place for proposal – for naming – for description
‘in what cases is it right to say this?’
in any case – where a proposal is looked for – is required
that could be any day to day matter –
or any creative matter in science – art – or philosophy
380. ‘How do I recognize that this is red?—"I see that
it is this;
and then I know that that is what this is called."
This?—What?!
What kind of answer to this question makes sense?
(You keep on steering towards the idea of the private
ostensive
definition.)
I could not apply any rules to a private transition from
what is seen
to words. Here the rules really would hang in the air; for the
institution
of their use is lacking.’
‘How do I recognize that this is red?—"I see that it is
this; and then I know that that is what this is called."’
there will be different accounts of how I recognize –
and how I recognize this as red –
and any such account will be open to question
what is significant is that I propose ‘this’ – as ‘red’
‘What kind of answer to this question makes sense?’
one that is fit to purpose – whatever that purpose is
here the purpose – if you can call it that is ‘philosophical’
–
and I would say an answer that makes sense philosophically is
one that is open to question – open to doubt – and one recognized as uncertain
if we have an open and critical approach to our answers on this
– and indeed any other matter – we will make sense
‘I could not apply any rules to a private transition from
what is seen to words. Here the rules really would hang in the air; for the institution
of their use is lacking.’
it is not a matter of applying rules – it is rather whether
a private definition – is held open to question – open to doubt and whether its
uncertainty is explored
you can do this privately
381. ‘How do I know that this colour is red?—It would be an
answer to say: "I have learnt English".’
yes – that would be an answer – but an answer open to
question – open to doubt – and uncertain
382. ‘At these words I form this image. How can justify
this?
Has anyone shewn me the image of the colour blue and told me
that this is the image of blue?
What is the meaning of the words: "This
image"? How does one
point to an image? How does one point twice to the same image?’
‘At these words I form this image. How can justify this?’
first up – logically speaking there is no ‘justification’ –
a proposal put – is open to question – open to doubt and
uncertain
you might enquire as to how a proposal came about – this is
not justification
and any account of how a proposal came about – is open to
question
what is relevant – is the proposal put
‘Has anyone shewn me the image of the colour blue and told
me that this is the image of blue?’
perhaps –
again –showing and telling is not justification
justification doesn’t exist – it is not in the propositional
picture
‘What is the meaning of the words: "This
image"?’
any ‘meaning’ proposed – is open to question
if you settle on a meaning – fair enough – logically
speaking – it is still open to question – open to doubt – and uncertain
‘How does one point to an image?’
one doesn’t point to an image – one proposes it
‘How does one point twice to the same image?’
one proposes it twice
383. ‘We are not analysing a phenomenon (e.g. thought) but a
concept (e.g. that of thinking), and therefore the use of a word.
So
it may look as if what we were doing were Nominalism. Nominalists
make the mistake of interpreting all words as names,
and so of not really
describing their use, but only, so to speak, giving a paper
draft on
such a description.’
a concept – is a proposal – a name – is a proposal – a use –
is a proposal –
and any proposal – is open to question – open to doubt – and
is uncertain
this logical approach if you want to put a name to it is
‘propositionalism’
384. ‘You learned the concept 'pain' when you learned
language.’
you learned the proposal ‘pain’ when you learned language
385. ‘Ask yourself: Would it be imaginable for someone to learn
to do sums in his head without ever doing written or oral
ones?—
"Learning it" will mean: being made able to do it.
Only the question
arises, what will count as a criterion for being able to do
it?——But
is it also possible for some tribe to know only of calculation
in the
head, and of no other kind? Here one has to ask oneself:
"What will
that be like?"—And so one will have to depict it as a
limiting case.
And the question will then arise whether we are still
willing to use
the concept of 'calculating in the head' here—or whether in
such
circumstances it has lost its purpose, because the phenomena
gravitate
towards another paradigm.’
‘Ask yourself: Would
it be imaginable for someone to learn to do sums in his head without ever doing
written or oral ones.’
yes – I think so – if he was properly instructed –
and if he was shown how it is done
‘“Learning it” – will mean: being made able to do it. Only
the question arises, what will count as a criterion for being able to do it?’
doing it
‘But is it also possible for some tribe to know only of
calculation in the head, and of no other kind?’
it is possible that an individual calculates in his head – but
if it’s a tribal practice – it would have to have some public expression –
otherwise it is not ‘tribal’
‘And the question will then arise whether we are still willing
to use the concept of 'calculating in the head' here—or whether in such circumstances
it has lost its purpose, because the phenomena gravitate towards another
paradigm.’
you can wrap calculation up in whatever paradigm you like –
the fact remains whether an individual calculates in his head – or calculates
in a public manner – the point is – it’s calculating –
it is playing the calculation game
386. ‘"But why have you so little confidence in
yourself? Ordinarily
you always know well enough what it is to 'calculate.' So if
you say
you have calculated in imagination, then you will have done
so. If you
had not calculated, you would not have said you had.
Equally, if you
say that you see something red in imagination, then it will be
red.
You know what 'red' is elsewhere.—And further: you do not always
rely on the agreement of other people; for you often report
that you
have seen something no one else has."——But I do have confidence
in
myself—I say without hesitation that I have done this sum in
my head,
have imagined this colour. The difficulty is not that I
doubt whether
I really imagined anything red. But it is this: that we should
be able,
just like that, to point out or describe the colour we have
imagined,
that the projection of the image into reality presents no
difficulty
at all. Are they then so alike that one might mix them
up?—But I can
also recognize a man from a drawing straight off.—Well, but
can I
ask: "What does a correct image of this colour look
like?" or "What
sort of thing is it?"; can I learn this?
(I cannot accept his testimony because it is not testimony.
It only
tells me what he is inclined to say.)’
‘Well, but can I ask: "What does a correct image of
this colour look like?" or "What
sort of thing is it?"; can I learn this?’
as to ‘a correct image of this colour’ – any image will be a
proposal – open to question – open to doubt – and uncertain
‘(I cannot accept his testimony because it is not testimony.
It only tells me what he is inclined to say.)’
his ‘testimony’ or ‘what he is inclined to say’ – is what he
proposes –
and what he proposes is open to question – open to doubt – and
uncertain –
and if you cannot accept uncertainty – you are lost
387. ‘The deep aspect of this matter readily eludes
us.’
there is no ‘deep’ – there is what is put – in whatever form
it is put – to whatever matter it is put
to –
what there is – is what is proposed
we are not eluded –
whatever proposal is put – is open to question – open to
doubt – and is uncertain
388. ‘"I don't see anything violet here, but I can shew
it you if
you give me a paint box." How can one know that
one can shew it
if . . . ., in other words, that one can recognize it if one
sees it?
How do I know from my image what the colour really
looks like?
How do I know that I shall be able to do something? that is,
that the
state I am in now is that of being able to do that thing?’
‘in other words, that one can recognize it if one sees it?’
any account of how we recognize – is open to question
– open to doubt –and uncertain
the point is – we do
and recognition – is a proposal –
a proposal – open to question – open to doubt – and uncertain
‘How do I know from my image what the colour really
looks like?’
my image is the proposal – of the colour
and this proposal – is open to question
‘How do I know that I shall be able to do something?
that you will be able to do something – is a proposal –
that is your knowledge –
and your knowledge – your proposal –
is open to question – open to doubt – and uncertain
389. ‘"The image must be more like its object than any picture.
For, however like I make the picture to what it is supposed
to
represent, it can always be the picture of something else as
well.
But it is essential to the image that it is the image of
this and of
nothing else."
Thus one might come to regard the image as a
super-likeness.’
this is just rhetoric from Wittgenstein – wishful thing –
fortified with a ‘must’
an image is a proposal – the picture a proposal – both proposals
are open to question
as is their proposed relation
390. ‘Could one imagine a stone's having consciousness? And if
anyone can do so—why should that not merely prove that such
image-
mongery is of no interest to us?’
ok –
consider this from Spinoza –
‘Further conceive, I beg, that a stone, while continuing in
motion, should be capable of thinking and knowing, that it is endeavoring, as
far as it can, to continue to move. Such a stone, being conscious merely of its
own endeavour and not at all indifferent, would believe itself to be completely
free, and would think that it continued in motion solely because of its own
wish. This is that human freedom, which all boast that they possess, and which
consists solely in the fact, that men are conscious of their own desire, but
are ignorant of the causes whereby that desire has been determined.’
image-mongery?
391. ‘I can perhaps even imagine (though it is not easy)
that each
of the people whom I see in the street is in frightful pain,
but is artfully
concealing it. And it is important that I have to imagine an
artful
concealment here. That I do not simply say to myself:
"Well, his soul is
in pain: but what has that to do with his body?" or "After
all it need
not shew in his body!"—And if I imagine this—what do I do;
what
do I say to myself; how do I look at the people? Perhaps I look
at one
and think: "It must be difficult to laugh when one is
in such pain",
and much else of the same kind. I as it were play a part, act
as if the
others were in pain. When I do this I am said for example to
be imagining ....’
‘I can perhaps even imagine (though it is not easy) that each
of the people whom I see in the street is in frightful pain, but is artfully
concealing it.’
yes – you can do this –
but really – is it any different from just how things are?
what I mean is this is – I see people – in the street – and
wherever –
the fact is I don’t know how they feel –
I don’t have access to their private experiences –
all I have access to – is what they propose
what they propose – in whatever form they propose – verbally
– behaviourally –
this is all I know
and this – what they propose – however they propose it – is
open to question – open to doubt – and uncertain
I can imagine what I like – but if I want to know I have to
pay attention – to what is proposed
392. ‘"When I imagine he is in pain, all that really
goes on in me
is ... ." Then someone else says: "I believe I can
imagine it without
thinking '. . . .' " ("I believe I can think
without words.") This leads
to nothing. The analysis oscillates between natural science and
grammar.’
‘"When I imagine he is in pain, all that really goes on
in me is ... ."’
what goes on in me is – that I propose that – ‘he is
in pain’
‘Then someone else says: "I believe I can imagine it without
thinking '. . . .' " ("I believe I can think without words.")’
here is the point –
we propose – we make propositions – and our proposals – our
propositions – are open to question – open to doubt – and uncertain –
and what this means is this –
that just what a proposal is – is itself – open to
question – open to doubt – and uncertain
‘The analysis oscillates between natural science and grammar.’
the ‘oscillation’ Wittgenstein mentions here – is uncertainty
393. ‘"When I imagine that someone who is laughing is really
in
pain I don't imagine any pain-behaviour, for I see just the
opposite.
So what do I imagine?"—I have already said what.
And I do not
necessarily imagine my being in pain.——"But then what
is the process
of imagining it?"——Where (outside philosophy) do we use
the
words "I can imagine his being in pain" or "I
imagine that . . . ."
or "Imagine that . . . ."?
We say, for example, to someone who has to play a theatrical
part:
"Here you must imagine that this man is in pain and is
concealing
it"—and now we give him no directions, do not tell him
what he
is actually to do. For this reason the suggested
analysis is not to
the point either.—We now watch the actor who is imagining
this
situation.’
"But then what is the process of imagining it?" –
what this ’process of imagining it’ – is – is proposing
it –
and any proposal – any proposition – wherever it
occurs – is valid – is worthy of consideration – is open to question – open to
doubt – and is uncertain
‘We now watch the actor who is imagining this situation.’
yes – and if he does nothing to indicate that he is in pain –
we say he has followed the direction given
of course whether he has or not – is open to question –
it is matter of how you interpret his behaviour
394. ‘In what sort of circumstances should we ask anyone:
"What
actually went on in you as you imagined this?"—And what
sort of
answer do we expect?’
‘In what sort of circumstance should we ask anyone:
"What actually went on in you as you imagined this?"’
well – it doesn’t matter – if the question is asked in some
propositional context – it is either an appropriate question – or it is not
‘And what sort of answer do we expect?’
I would hope for an interesting answer because it is a tough
question –
and any answer given – is open to question – open to doubt –
and uncertain
395. ‘There is a lack of clarity about the role of imaginability
in our
investigation. Namely about the extent to which it ensures
that a
proposition makes sense.’
there is no lack of clarity here –
with ‘imaginability’ – what we are dealing with is proposal
proposal described as ‘imaginative’
and whether a proposition – a proposal – makes sense – or
not –
is open to question – open to doubt – and uncertain
396. ‘It is no more essential to the understanding of a proposition
that one should imagine anything in connexion with it, than
that one
should make a sketch from it.’
yes –
and any response to a proposition – to a proposal – is a proposition
– is a proposal –
a proposition – open to question – open to doubt – and
uncertain
397. ‘Instead of "imaginability" one can also say
here: representability
by a particular method of representation. And such a
representation
may indeed safely point a way to further use of a
sentence. On the
other hand a picture may obtrude itself upon us and be of no
use at all.’
a proposal described as ‘representative’ – may turn out to be
of use
on the other hand a ‘picture proposal’ – may be of no use at
all
whether a proposal – however described – will be of use – is
open to question – open to doubt – and is uncertain
398. ‘"But when I imagine something, or even actually see
objects,
I have got something which my neighbour has not."—I
understand
you. You want to look about you and say: "At any rate
only I have
got THIS."—What are these words for? They serve no
purpose.—
Can one not add: "There is here no question of a 'seeing'—and
therefore
none of a 'having'—nor of a subject, nor therefore of ‘I’ either"?
Might I not ask: In what sense have you got what you are
talking about
and saying that only you have got it? Do you possess it? You
do not
even see it. Must you not really say that no one has got it?
And this too
is clear: if as a matter of logic you exclude other people's
having
something, it loses its sense to say that you have it.
But what is the thing you are speaking of? It is true I said
that I
knew within myself what you meant. But that meant that I
knew
how one thinks to conceive this object, to see it, to make
one's looking
and pointing mean it. I know how one stares ahead and looks
about I
one in this case—and the rest. I think we can say: you are
talking (if,
for example, you are sitting in a room) of the 'visual room'.
The 'visual
room' is the one that has no owner. I can as little own it
as I can walk
about it, or look at it, or point to it. Inasmuch as it
cannot be any one
else's it is not mine either. In other words, it does not
belong to me
because I want to use the same form of expression about
it as about the
material room in which I sit. The description of the latter
need not
mention an owner, in fact it need not have any owner. But
then the
visual room cannot have any owner. "For"—one
might say—"it has
no master, outside or in.
"Think of a picture of a landscape, an imaginary landscape
with a
house in it.—Someone asks "Whose house is that?"—The
answer,
by the way, might be "It belongs to the farmer who is sitting
on the
bench in front of it". But then he cannot for example enter
his house.’
‘"But when I imagine something, or even actually see
objects, I have got something which my neighbour has not."’
what this means is that I put a proposal
as to what my neighbour has – or does not have – I don’t
know – unless my neighbour puts a proposal
‘Can one not add: "There is here no question of a 'seeing'—and
therefore none of a 'having'—nor of a subject, nor therefore of ‘I’
either"?
what is logically relevant here is the proposal – the
rest is just packaging
‘Might I not ask: In what sense have you got what you
are talking about and saying that only you have got it?’
what you have got – is what you propose –
and if what you propose – is witnessed and recognized by someone
else – what they have – is what you have proposed
and the proposal – is open to question – open to doubt – and
uncertain
‘But what is the thing you are speaking of?’
the thing you are speaking of – is a proposal – a
proposal – simple or complex – open to question – open to doubt – and uncertain
‘the visual room’ and ‘the material room’ are propositional
contexts –
they are only
relevant – if proposed
"Think of a picture of a landscape, an imaginary
landscape with a house in it.—Someone asks "Whose house is that?"—The
answer, by the way, might be "It belongs to the farmer who is sitting on the
bench in front of it". But then he cannot for example enter his house.’
the question ‘who’s house is that?’ – in this propositional
context – is to ask – ‘who’s house is represented in that picture?’
and in this context the answer – ‘It belongs to the farmer
who is sitting on the
bench in front of it’ –
is to say – ‘it belongs to the farmer represented in the picture’
399. ‘One might also say: Surely the owner of the visual
room
would have to be the same kind of thing as it is; but he is
not to be
found in it, and there is no outside.’
the ‘owner of the visual room’ – is the person who puts the
proposal – ‘the visual room’
the proposer and the proposal – are obviously – not one in
the same
400. ‘The ‘Visual room' seemed like a discovery, but what its
discoverer really found was a new way of speaking, a new comparison;
it might even be called a new sensation.’
this ‘visual room’?
is a proposal –
a propositional discovery? – yes –
a new way of speaking?
proposing – is not a new way of speaking
a new comparison?
well a new proposal – may well result in new comparisons
a new sensation?
perhaps that’s taking the enthusiasm a bit too far
a new description of a sensation – more like it –
and let’s remember – a sensation is a proposal
a proposal – open to question – open to doubt – and uncertain
(c) killer press. 2020.
(c) killer press. 2020.