'For the person or persons that hold dominion, can no more combine with the keeping up of majesty the running with harlots drunk or naked about the streets, or the performances of a stage player, or the open violation or contempt of laws passed by themselves than they can combine existence with non-existence'.

- Benedict de Spinoza. Political Treatise. 1677.




Wednesday, February 25, 2015

Appendix 3: Objects


“In a certain sense, an object cannot be described” (So too Plato: “You can’t give an account of one but only name it.”) Here “object” means “reference of a not further definable word” and ‘description” or “explanation” really means: “definition”. For of course it isn’t denied that the object can be “described from outside”, that properties can be ascribed to it and so on.

So when we use the proposition above we re thinking of a calculus with signs or names that are indefinable – or more accurately, undefined – and we are saying that no account can be given of them.

“What a word means a proposition cannot tell.”


first up – ‘object’ is a description – a meta-description –

the very point of such a description – is that it is a logical place for description

‘a reference of not further definable word’ –

what it is – is a reference place for definition

‘described from the outside’? –

here we have a theory of description –

what if I don’t think in terms of inside and outside –

what if my criterion for description is utility – and thus when I set about describing I am looking for a description that I imagine will be useful?

our descriptions are open to question – open to doubt –

but so too any criteria of description

‘So when we use the proposition above we are thinking of a calculus with signs or names that are indefinable – or more accurately, undefined – and we are saying that no account can be given of them.’

if we are thinking of a calculus with signs and names – and saying no account can be given of them –

this ‘calculus’ – is meaningless –

which is to say – we are not thinking of a calculus at all

a proposition is a proposal – its terms – signs – names – are open to question –

if you have a ‘proposition’ – with no content – nothing that can be questioned

whatever it is you think you’ve got – it’s not a proposition –

“What a word means a proposition cannot tell.”

any word is open to question – open to doubt

as with any proposal in relation to it

‘What is the distinction then between blue and red?

yes – the question of distinction –

the reality is that we do distinguish –

and any account – ‘explanation’ of this action of distinguishing –

will be open to question – to doubt – will be uncertain

that we distinguish is clear –

the grounds of any distinction – are not

let’s be clear – an explanation – is not the act

an explanation of a distinction – is not the action of distinguishing

‘explanation’ is – logically speaking – after the fact

the act – the act performed – without explanation – is unknown –

we propose – put forward propositions – descriptions – in order to make known

and any ‘knowledge’ we have – that is any proposal we make –

is uncertain

Wittgenstein: ‘So what I am saying means: red can’t be described.’

red – can’t be described?

‘red’ is the description 

so – what of red – as distinct from ‘red’

in the absence of description – what you deal with is the unknown

‘red’ – is the description – ‘red’ makes known

with the use of ‘red’ – we have – red – voila

‘red’ – as with any word – as with any proposition –

is open to question – open to doubt is uncertain –

with any word – any proposal – we can ask – what does it mean?

I suggest that the meaning of a word or of a proposition is – its use –

‘this is how we use the word ‘red’ … etc’ –

but however you account for meaning – whatever proposal you put forward –

the uncertainty remains –

all you ever have – logically speaking – is a proposal –

open to question –

certainty has nothing to do with logic –

certainty is the show piece of rhetoric – of pretence

put it this – what you have with any word – any sign –

is its mark – its syntax –

its ‘meaning’ – is uncertainty – is possibility –

the uncertain use  – of syntax

the syntax is a form or a vehicle for uncertainty –

and syntax is – itself – open to question

‘ “If you call the colour green an object, you must be saying that it is an object that occurs in the symbolism. Otherwise the sense of the symbolism, and thus its very existence as a symbolism, would not be guaranteed.”

But what does that assert about green, or the word “green”?’

‘if you call the color green an object …’?

that is to say –

if you describe – one description – ‘the colour green’ – in terms of another description ‘object’ –

‘you must be saying that it is an object that occurs in the symbolism …’

what you are saying is that the description occurs in the symbolism –

even this is a little odd –

reason being – the ‘symbolism’ and the ‘description’ –

are of course – one in the same

‘But what does that assert about green, or the word “green”?’

describing green as an ‘object’ – runs the risk of taking the colour out of green –

not I think a move in the right direction –

but – it all depends on who’s doing what and for why

we deal in proposals –propositions –

the world is propositional –

this is not to say there are no objects – or  whatever else you pin your hopes on –

everything is just as it is –

it is just a question of what descriptions we use

‘object’ – is a word you might call ‘solid’ – entrenched in use

open to question – open to doubt – but it has form

what exists is what is proposed

and logically – any proposal – is open to question – to doubt – is uncertain –

and yes –

you could jump from this to saying –

existence is uncertain

(what a revelation)



© greg t. charlton. 2015.