‘How can there be conjectures in
mathematics? Or better, what sort of thing is it that looks like a conjecture
in mathematics? Such as making a conjecture about the distribution of the
primes.
I might e.g. imagine that someone
is writing primes in series in front of me without my knowing they are primes –
I might for instance believe he is writing numbers just as they occur to him –
and I now try to detect a law in them. I might now actually form an hypothesis
about this number sequence, just as I could about any sequence yielded by an
experiment in physics.
Now in what sense have I, by so
doing, made an hypothesis about the distribution of the primes?’
‘Such as making a conjecture
about the distribution of primes?’
i.e. is the distribution ordered
or random?
and any theorem here will be an
argument – open to question – open to doubt – uncertain
and any theorem adopted by practitioners will be an advance in prime
theory –
and an extension of the prime-game
‘You might say that an hypothesis in mathematics has the value that it
trains your thoughts on a particular object – I mean a particular region – and
we might say “ we shall surely discover something interesting about these
things”.
an hypothesis in mathematics – is
a proposal – open to question – open to doubt –
any such hypothesis is an
exploration of uncertainty – and as such an exercise in propositional discovery
‘The trouble is that our language uses each of the words “question”,
“problem”, “investigation”, “discovery”, to refer to such basically different
things. It’s the same with “inference”, “proposition”, “proof”.
yes – the ‘ground’ of any language use – is uncertainty –
any proposal is open to question – open to doubt – is uncertain
the language game on the other
hand is a rule governed language practice –
yes – everything is still up for question –
but when you play the game –
you play without question – you play according to the rules – you observe the
rules of whatever game it is you are playing
if you don’t – you don’t play
the game
if you question – if you investigate the uncertainty of a language game
– that is an exploration of uncertainty –
that is not playing the game
human beings explore uncertainty in and with language – we live in and
with uncertainty –
this is logical activity
and we play with language – we
play language games –
that is to say we engage in rule governed propositional activities
play – is not logical – play is non-logical –
for in play there is no question – no doubt – no uncertainty –
in play there is only the rules of the game –
and adherence to the rules
‘The question arises, what kind of verification do I count as valid for
my hypothesis? Or can I faute de mieux allow
an empirical one to hold for the time being until I have a “strict proof “? No.
Until there is such a proof, there is no connection at all between my
hypothesis and the “concept” of a prime number.”
‘verification’? –
a verification – is a proposal –
logically speaking – open to question – to doubt – uncertain –
a verification is an argument –
any propositional practise will
develop verification proposals –
there is no logical end point to
so called ‘verification’ – or for that matter ‘falsification’ –
theories of verification –
confirmation etc – have a pragmatic function –
they facilitate movement –
propositional movement –
and of course the idea is – that
the movement is upward and onward –
that at any rate will be the
press release
a ‘proof’ – is a deductive language-game
‘Only the so-called proof establishes
any connection between the hypothesis and the primes as such. And that is shown by the fact that – as I said – until
then the hypothesis can be construed as one belonging purely to physics. – On
the other hand when we have supplied a proof, it doesn’t prove what was
conjectured at all, since I can’t conjecture to infinity. I can only conjecture
what can be confirmed, but experience can only confirm a finite number of
conjectures, and you can’t conjecture the proof until you’ve got it, and not
then either.’
with or without a so called
‘proof’ – the ‘hypothesis’ – is open to question – open to doubt – is uncertain
‘experience’ – is uncertain –
and ‘proof’ – the deductive
language game – is of course – logically speaking – open to question – open to
doubt – uncertain
the point of this notion of proof
– i.e. an end to argument – is not
logical – it is rhetorical
‘proof’ – is a rhetorical device
–
it is that point at which the
proposal – is no longer put to the question – no longer a subject of doubt –
the ‘proof’ – just is the device
agreed upon by the practitioners to bring question and doubt to an end –
what we have here is a decision
to stop the inquiry –
there is no logical basis for
this – but there is a psychological and indeed a practical imperative – to find
a conclusion
the deductive language game – the
argument that is –‘proof’ – fits the bill
mathematics as with all propositional practices is a marriage of logic
and rhetoric
‘Suppose that someone, without
having proved Pythagoras’ theorem, has been led by measuring the sides and
hypotenuses of right angle triangles to “conjecture” it. And suppose the latter
discovered the proof, and said that he had proved what he had earlier
conjectured. At least one remarkable question arises: at what point of the
proof does what he had earlier confirmed by earlier trials emerge? For the
proof is essentially different from the earlier method. – Where do these
methods make contact, if the proof and the tests are only different aspects of
the same thing (the same generalizations) if, as alleged, there is some sense
in which they gave the same result?
I have said: “from a single
source only one stream flows”, and one might say that it would be odd if the
same thing were to come from different sources. The thought that the same thing
can come from different sources is familiar from physics, i.e. from hypotheses.
In that area we are always concluding from symptoms to illnesses and we know
that the most different symptoms can be different symptoms of the same thing.’
yes – the ‘conjecture’ here is a
proposal – a description of the proposals already put forward in the actions
taken
his discovery of the proof is the
application of a language game to the proposal
the ‘contact’ – is the
application of a language game to the proposal (conjecture) –
making contact is really just a
matter of proximity – a propositional hand shake let’s say
yes the proof – the language game
– is really a restatement of the
proposal / conjecture
it is not ‘the same thing’ or
‘from different sources’ –
it is rather propositional
actions – different proposals – different propositions –
in an open logical setting –
whether we are talking about the
propositions of physics – or the propositions of mathematics
the context is contingency – is
uncertainty –
it is about what happens
(propositionally) –
where and when it happens
‘How could one guess from
statistics the very thing the proof later showed’
‘statistics’ – is a probability game
a ‘proof’ – a deductive word game
whether a proposal is ‘based on’
statistics – or a so called ‘proof’ – the proposal is open to question – open
to doubt – uncertain
a probability game will not have
the same form as a deduction –
the probability game displays
uncertainty – and you could say is
based on – uncertainty
the proof game – masks its
uncertainty – and in that sense is a pretence
a guess from statistics to what
the proof later showed?
from statistics – we would be
dealing in probability – and any such guess – would presumably be an
approximation –
an approximation – to the
conclusion of a proof deduction
and yes the two – a statistical
analysis and the proof could we
ll line up –
as to ‘guess’ – a definition?
you might say the ‘guess’ is a
proposal – with no immediate background – with no basis –
a proposal from the unknown – and
one recognised as such –
a proposal without pretence –
that is to say – a purely
‘logical’ proposal –
yes – surprise – surprise
‘How can the proof produce the
same generalisation as the earlier trials made probable?’
it doesn’t – the proof is a
deductive argument – ‘the earlier trials’ – inductive
it does – any proposal – and
proposition – any generalization – is open to question – open to doubt –
any generalization – is uncertain
‘I am assuming that I conjectured
the generalization without conjecturing the proof. Does the proof now prove
exactly the generalization that I conjectured?!
‘proof’ is a logical deception –
it is a deception because it
pretends certainty
the premises of a proof – the
conclusion of the proof – proposals – open to question – open to doubt –
uncertain
conjectures!
a proof – is a piece of poetry –
a poetic form
mathematics – you might say – is
the grand poem of signs – a great poetry of syntax
the so called ‘proof’– and the
‘generalization that I conjectured’ – are different
proposals – different conjectures –
both – as with any proposal – are
open to question – open to doubt –
are uncertain
‘Suppose someone was
investigating even numbers to see if they confirmed Goldbach’s conjecture.
Suppose he expressed the conjecture – and it can be expressed – that if he
continued with this investigation, he would never meet a counterexample as long
as he lived. If a proof of the theorem is then discovered, will it also be a
proof of the man’s conjecture? How is that possible?
yes – a proof is a proof –
the language-game ‘proof’ – can
be played – as long as there are players
the man’s conjecture in this case
– is just that there will be a proof –
if as it turns out a proof is
constructed –
a lucky guess – nothing more
‘Nothing is more fatal to
philosophical understanding than the notion of proof and experience as two
different but comparable methods of verification.’
yes – ‘proof’ – is an
‘experience’ – and ‘experience’ is ‘proof’ –
a proof is a language –game – and
the argument from experience is a language-game
what is fatal to philosophical
understanding – is not understanding
that any proposal –
of proof – any proposal of experience – is open to question
– open to doubt – is uncertain
verification – is a decision to use a proposal – it is a
decision of utility –
and any such decision – is open to question – open to doubt – is uncertain
‘What kind of discovery did
Sheffer make when he found that p v q and ~ p
can be expressed by p | q? People had no method of looking for p | q, and if someone were to find one today, it
wouldn’t make any difference.
What was it we didn’t know before
the discovery? (It wasn’t anything we didn’t know, it is something with which
we weren’t acquainted.)
You can see this very clearly if
you imagine someone objecting that p | q isn’t at all the same as is said by ~ p. The only
reply of course is that it’s only a question of the system p | q, etc. having the necessary multiplicity. Thus
Sheffer found a symbolic system with the necessary multiplicity.
Does it count as looking for
something, if I am unaware of Sheffer’s system and say I would like to
construct a system with only one
logical constant? No!
Systems are certainly not all in one space, so that I could say there are
systems with 3 and with 2 logical constants and now I am trying to reduce the
number of constants in the same way. There is no “same way” here.’
Scheffer put forward a new
proposal – a new representation of the logical proposal –
p v q and ~ p
‘What was it that we didn’t know
before the discovery?’
we didn’t know the proposal – the
representation – p | q
‘Does it count as looking for
something, if I am unaware of Sheffer’s system and say I would like to
construct a system with only one
logical constant? No!’
yes – looking for a new proposal
– a new system – counts as ‘looking for something’
‘Systems are certainly not all in
one space, so that I could say there
are systems with 3 and with 2 logical constants and now I am trying to reduce
the number of constants in the same way. There is no “same way” here.’ –
just what ‘same way’ amounts to –
is open to question –
if someone is looking to reduce
the number of constants in the same way – it would be useful to ask him what he
means by ‘same way’ –
if the issue is significant to
the participants – then there will be argument
‘Suppose prizes are offered for
the solution – say – of Fermat’s problem. Someone might object to me: How can you say that this problem
doesn’t exist? If prizes are offered for the solution, the surely the problem
must exist. I would have to say: Certainly, but the people who talk about it
don’t understand the grammar of the expression “mathematical problem” or of the
word “solution”. The prize is really offered for the solution of a scientific
problem; for the exterior of the
solution (hence also for instance we talk about a Riemannian hypothesis). The conditions of the
problem are external conditions; and when the problem is solved, what happens
corresponds to the setting of the problem in the way in which solutions
correspond to problems in physics.’
yes –
in mathematics we create games –
sign-games –
in science – we deal with
questions of physical description
a mathematical game can be played
in any setting
the setting is irrelevant to the
game
‘If we set as a problem to find a
construction for a regular pentagon, the way the construction is specified in
the setting of the problem is by the physical attribute that is to yield a
pentagon that is shown by measurement
to be regular. For we don’t get the concept of constructive division into five (or of a constructive pentagon) until we get it from the construction.’
it might be put here that the
construction does not come out of thin air –
point being that it is likely
that there is conceptualization prior to construction –
this is not to say that we begin
with what we end up with – that is possible – but not necessary – and I would
suggest – in practice – not likely –
the science here – the making of
the construction – will be a propositional test – regardless of how you come at
it – i.e. ideally or physically –
and the testing itself – will
most likely be a moving feast
there doesn’t have to be – and
there is not – one method of science –
at every point of any such
endeavour – we have before us proposals – open to question – open to doubt –
uncertain –
and the ‘origin’ of the proposals – unimportant –
and indeed – any result – any
propositional result (the constructed regular pentagon) – is open to question –
open to interpretation
‘Similarly in Fermat’s theorem we
have an empirical structure that we interpret as a hypothesis, and not – of
course – as the product of a construction. So in a certain sense what the
problem asks for is not what the solution gives.’
in Fermat’s theorem we have a proposal –
which as with any proposal – is –
logically speaking – open to
interpretation –
as indeed is any work done in
respect to the theorem – and any ‘solution’ – proposed
‘Of course a proof of the
contradictory of Fermat’s theorem (for instance) stands in the same relation to
the problem as a proof of the proposition itself. (Proof of the impossibility
of a construction).’
what we will have – for or
against Fermat’s theorem – is argument –
and yes a ‘proof’ is an argument – but as with any
argument – any set of proposals – no matter how they are constructed and
presented – open to question – to doubt – logical speaking – uncertain
there is no end game in propositional
logic
there is however an end to
propositional activity –
it comes when a proposal – is
left standing – is not put to the question –
this is nothing more than
‘dropping off’ – or moving on –
you can of course do this at any
time –
and you don’t need to buttress
such an a move with baloney about certainty or ‘logical truth’ –
scientists recognize the world is
never settled in theory or in practise
‘logicians’ who hold to the
opposite view – have made logic a backward and irrelevant activity
‘We can represent the
impossibility of the trisection of an angle as a physical impossibility, by
saying things like “don’t try to divide the angle into 3 equal parts, it is
hopeless!” But in so far as we can do that, it is not this that the “proof of impossibility” proves. That it is hopeless to attempt the trisection is
something connected with physical facts.’
as for the ‘hopeless!’ argument –
it is possible to trisect an
arbitrary angle using tools other than straightedge and compass – i.e. neusis
construction which involves the simultaneous sliding and rotation of a straightedge –
this was a method used by ancient
Greeks
other methods have been developed
over time by mathematicians
the ‘proof of impossibility’
comes down to an algebraic argument –
if you accept the premises – the
mathematics of this argument – then the conclusion follows –
i.e. it can be shown that a 60°
cannot be trisected
the question this raises is just
whether the mathematics employed here fits the task –
and indeed – whether there is a
‘real’ problem here at all –
or is it just that we have a
language-game – a clever algebraic game – played in the wrong context?
I think so
‘Imagine someone set himself the
following problem. He is to discover a game played on a chessboard, in which
each player is to have 8 pieces; the two white ones which are in the outermost
files at the beginning of the game (the “consuls”) are to be given some special
status by the rules so that they have a greater freedom of movement than the other
pieces; one of the black pieces (the “general”) is to have a special status; a
white piece takes a black one by being put in its place (and visa versa); the
whole game is to have a certain analogy with the Punic wars. Those are the
conditions that the game is to satisfy. – There is no doubt that that is a
problem, a problem not at all like the problem of finding out how under certain
conditions white can win in chess. – That problem would be quite analogous to
the problems of mathematics (other than problems of calculation).’
‘Imagine someone set himself the
following problem. He is to discover a game played on a chessboard … Those are
the conditions that the game is to satisfy…. That problem would be quite
analogous to the problems of mathematics (other than problems of calculation).’
–
yes – indeed the problem of game
construction –
‘What is hidden must be capable
of being found. (Hidden contradictions.)’
putting it bluntly – nothing is
hidden –
what is ‘in view’ – is just what
is proposed –
what is proposed is what there is
a contradiction is proposed – or
it is not proposed
what needs to be understood is
that our reality is propositional – that is –
what is proposed
‘Also, what is hidden must be
completely describable before it is found, no less than if it had already been
found’
the idea that you describe
something that is not described?
might I propose – a contradiction
here?
if the proposal is described – it
is proposed –
if it is not proposed – there is
nothing to describe
as for ‘completely describable’ –
logically speaking the
proposition – is never ‘complete’ – it is always – open –
open to question – open to doubt
–
the proposal – the proposition –
is uncertain –
uncertainty undercuts any
pretence of ‘completion’ –
propositional logic – is the
exploration of uncertainty
‘It makes good sense to say that
an object is so well hidden that it is impossible to find it; but of course the
impossibility here is not a logical one; I.e. it makes no sense to speak of
finding an object to describe the finding; we merely deny that it will happen.’
firstly – in propositional
reality we deal with possibility – that is uncertainty –
any claim of impossibility – is a
claim of certainty –
certainty is not a logical
reality – any claim of certainty – is illogical – is non-logical –
‘certainty’ is a rhetorical
notion
to propose the existence of an
empirical object – that is not seen – is to propose an empirical problem – i.e.
– what do we need to do to observe the object – how can we get around or remove
the obstacles to observing it?
to propose the existence of
empirical object – and then deny that it can
be observed – is to be involved in contradiction
however proposing the existence
of an observable object (that is not immediately observable) – and proposing
what needs to be done to observe it – is quite in order
such proposals will be tested –
they will be proceeded with or
they will be dropped from consideration
the logical point is that any
proposal – any proposition – is open to question – to doubt – is uncertain
in logic we never come to a dead
end – though some logics are dead end
‘[We might put it like this: if I
am looking for something, I mean the North Pole, or a house in London – I can completely describe what I am looking
for before I have found it (or have found that it isn’t there) and either way
this description will be logically acceptable. But when I am looking for
something in mathematics, unless I am doing so within a system, what I am
looking for cannot be described, or can only apparently be described; for if I
could describe it in every particular, I would already actually have it; and before it is completely described I can’t be sure whether what I am looking for
is logically acceptable, and therefore describable at all. So it is only an
apparent description of what is being “looked for”]*
*This paragraph is crossed out in the typescript.
as to looking for something like
the North Pole or a house in London – you may describe what you are looking for
–
your description – as with any
description – is logically speaking – a proposal
– and as such open to question – open to doubt – uncertain – in short –
revisable – and in that sense – logically not – and never – complete
this is true of any description –
mathematics is a rule governed
propositional action – a sign-game – a language game
‘But when you are looking for
something in mathematics’ –
so what are you looking for?
a game – a set of rules – the
‘pieces’ for the game – the signs?
yes you can propose a game – the
rules – and yes you can propose the symbols for the game –
‘logically acceptable’?
that depends on your argument for
the game – for the symbols –
and on the other players or
participants –
how they see it
the ground here is pure contingency
‘Here we are easily misled by the
legitimacy of an incomplete description when we are looking for a real object,
and here again there is an unclarity about the concepts “description” and
“object”. If someone says, I am going to the North Pole and I expect to find a
flag there, and that would mean on Russell’s account, I expect to find
something (an x) that is a flag – say of such and such a colour and size. In
that case too it looks as if the expectation (the search) concerns only an
indirect knowledge and not the object itself; as if that is something that I
don’t really know (knowledge by acquaintance) until I have it in front of me
(having previously been only indirectly acquainted with it), But that is
nonsense. There whatever I can perceive – to the extent that it is a fulfilment
of my expectation – I can also describe in advance. And here “describe” means
not saying something or other about it, but rather expressing it. That is, if I
am looking for something I must be able
to describe it completely.’
‘a real object’ – is a proposal
the ‘unclarity about the concepts
‘description’ and ‘object’ –
a ‘concept’ is a proposal – open
to question – open to doubt – uncertain –
as to Russell’s account –
‘acquaintance’ – is an occasion
of uncertainty –
yes – I can describe in advance –
my description – my expression –
is a proposal – logically speaking – open to question
if I am looking for something – I
am making a proposal –
this notion of ‘completeness’ –
has no place in epistemology –
it is rhetoric –
which is to say – it represents a
stand against knowledge – for prejudice – for ignorance
‘The question is: can one say
that at present mathematics is as it were jagged – or frayed – and for that
reason we shall be able to round it off? I think you can’t say that, any more
than you can say that reality is untidy, because there are 4 primary colours,
seven notes in an octave, three dimensions in visual space, etc.
You can’t round off mathematics
any more than you can say “let’s round off the four primary colours to eight or
ten” or “let’s round of the eight tones in an octave to ten”.’
‘jagged’? – where does that come
from?
mathematics is ruled governed propositional activity –
‘frayed’? – perhaps –
our reality is propositional –
that is to say – open to question
– open to doubt – uncertain
‘The comparison between a
mathematical expedition and a polar expedition. There is a point in drawing
this comparison and it is a very useful one.
How strange would it be if a
geographical expedition were uncertain whether it had a goal, and so whether it
had any route whatsoever. We can’t imagine such a thing, it’s nonsense. But
this is precisely what it is like in a mathematical expedition. And so perhaps
it is a good idea to drop the comparison altogether.
Could one say that arithmetical
or geographical problems can always look, or can falsely be conceived, as if
they referred to objects in space whereas they refer to space itself?
By “space” I mean what one can be
certain of while searching.’
a ‘mathematical ‘expedition’ – is
the construction of a sign game – a language game –
arithmetical problems are
problems of calculation –
calculation is a rule governed
action –
‘an object in space’ – is a
proposal –
‘space’ is a proposal – open to question – open to doubt – uncertain
23. Proof and the truth or falsehood of mathematical propositions
A mathematical proposition that
has been proved has a bias towards truth in its grammar. In order to understand
the sense of 25 x 25 = 625 I may ask: how is this proposition proved? But I
can’t ask how its contradictory is or would be proved, because it makes no
sense to speak of the contradictory of 25 x 25 = 625. So if I want to raise a
question that won’t depend on the truth of the proposition, I have to speak of checking its truth, not of proving or
disproving it. The method of checking corresponds to what one may call the
sense of the proposition. The description of this method is a general one and
brings in a system of propositions of the form a x b = c.
We can’t say “I will work out that it is so”, we have to say “whether it is so”, i.e., whether it is so or otherwise.
The method of checking the truth
corresponds to the sense of a mathematical proposition. If it’s impossible to
speak of such a check, then the analogy between “mathematical proposition” and
the other things we call propositions collapses. Thus there is a check for
propositions of the form “($k)n/m …” and “($k)m/n …” which brings in intervals.’
if by ‘proof’ you mean a
procedure that renders a proposition beyond question – beyond doubt – as
certain – there is no proof –
if by proof you mean a procedure
which practitioners use to end question – doubt – uncertainty – in order to
proceed – then yes – such decisions – pragmatic decisions are made – and
represented in language games such as deduction
‘25 x 25 = 625’ –
here there is no question of
proof
25 x 25 = 625 – is a sign-game –
a mathematical game –
if you play it – you play it according to the sign-game rules of multiplication
‘checking the truth’?
‘If it’s impossible to speak of
such a check, then the analogy between “mathematical proposition” and the other
things we call propositions collapses’ –
a mathematical proposition like –
‘25 x 25 = 625’ – is a game – it is a propositional
game
the very point of a game is that
it is played –
which means the rules of the game
– are not questioned – they are
observed
for if they are questioned –
there is no game – there is no play
yes – you can question any
proposal – any procedure – any set of rules – any practice
but doing so is not game playing
–
if you do question and doubt –
you are dealing with and in uncertainty –
you are involved in propositional
discovery –
and in such an activity – there
are no rules
‘Now consider the question “does
the equation x2 +
ax + b = o” have a solution in real numbers?” Here again there is a check and
the check decides between ($ …) , and
~ ($ …), etc. But can I in the same sense also ask and
check “whether the equation has a solution”? Not unless I include this case too
in a system with others.’
the equation is a sign game –
if properly constructed i.e. in
terms of the rules governing the game – the equation has a solution –
the only question is what values
you give the variables –
the game’s play is rule governed –
there is nothing to check
‘(In reality “the proof of the
fundamental theorem of algebra …’ constructs a new kind of number.)
Equations are a kind of number.
(That is, they can be treated similarly to numbers.)’
a proof as a language game
(deduction) can function as a game within a game
when we speak of a number – what
we are talking about is the number game
a particular number is a token –
in the number game
so the question is – can a proof
have the same function as a number?
can the game – the language game
proof – function as a token in a number-game?
the answer is yes – if such a
game is constructed – and played –
that is to say – if the players
accept the proof as a token in the game
the general point is that any
proposal can be included in any game as a token – if the players accept what is
proposed as a token –
and of course the new token if
accepted into the game functions in accordance with the rules of the game
‘A “proposition of mathematics”
that is proved by an induction is not a “proposition”
in the same sense as the answer
to a mathematical question unless one can look for the induction in a system of
checks.
“Every equation G has a root”.
And suppose it has no root? Could we describe that case as we describe its not
having a rational solution? What is the criterion for an equation not having a
solution? For this criterion must be given if the mathematical question is to have a sense and if the
apparent existence proposition is to be a “proposition” in the sense of an
answer to the question.
(What does the description of the
contradictory consist of? What supports it? What are the examples that support
it, and how are they related to particular cases of the proved contradictory?
These questions are not side-issues, but absolutely essential.)
(The philosophy of mathematics
consists in an exact scrutiny of mathematical proofs – not in surrounding
mathematics with a vapour.)’
‘A “proposition of mathematics”
that is proved by an induction is not a “proposition”
in the same sense as the answer
to a mathematical question unless one can look for the induction in a system of
checks.’
induction is not a language-game
that functions in mathematical games – unless provision is made for it – and
even then it will not have the same status as deduction
“Every equation G has a root”.
And suppose it has no root?’ –
either an exception is made to
the rule – or the rule holds – and
the ‘equation’ is not regarded as genuine – as functional –
or the equation is placed in
‘quarantine’ – as it were – where
its status is undecided – and where it becomes the subject of further study and
consideration
‘Could we describe that case as
we describe its not having a rational solution?’ –
yes – it could be described as
not having a ‘rational solution’ –
‘What is the criterion for an
equation not having a solution?’ –
yes there is the question – of what the criterion is for
not having a rational solution –
‘For this criterion must be given
if the mathematical question is to
have a sense and if the apparent existence proposition is to be a “proposition”
in the sense of an answer to the question.’ –
if the equation (without a
rational solution) is to have currency
then indeed its provenance must be ‘established’ – that is well argued for –
and that means its ‘ground’ must be acceptable to the practitioners that work
in this area
‘(What does the description of
the contradictory consist of? What supports it? What are the examples that
support it, and how are they related to particular cases of the proved
contradictory? These questions are not side-issues, but absolutely essential.)’
the contradictory is no more than
a method of asserting the rules
‘(The philosophy of mathematics
consists in an exact scrutiny of mathematical proofs – not in surrounding
mathematics with a vapour.)’ –
the philosophy of mathematics?
the philosophy of mathematics
should make clear that the rules of the mathematics game – are open to question
– open to doubt – are – as with any other set of propositions – uncertain
the philosophy of mathematics
should be an argument against prejudice – intellectual prejudice – the worst
kind – as it can run deep –
but such argument is not
particular to the philosophy of mathematics – it is the task of any philosophy
– any application of free and critical thinking
‘In discussions of the
provability of mathematical propositions it is sometimes said that there are
substantial propositions of mathematics whose truth or falsehood must remain
undecided. What the people who say that don’t realise is that such
propositions, if we can use them and
want to call them “propositions”, are not at all the same as what we call
“propositions” in other cases; because a proof alters the grammar of a
proposition. You can certainly use one and the same piece of wood first as a
weathervane and then as a signpost; but you can’t use it fixed as a weathervane
and moving as a signpost. If some one wanted to say “There are also moving
signposts” I would answer “You mean ‘There are also moving pieces of wood”. I don’t say that a moving piece of wood can’t
possibly be use at all, but that only that it can’t be used as a signpost”.’
if there are ‘substantial
mathematical propositions whose truth must remain undecided’ –
then what we have is proposals in
mathematics – that are under consideration – by mathematicians – for their
possible utility in mathematics – in mathematical games
a proof does not alter the
grammar – the logic of a proposition
–
a ‘proof’ – that is to say a
‘deductive language-game’ – may be used to fashion
a use of a proposition
a piece of wood is a piece of
wood – however it might be used –
a proposition is a proposal –
open to question – open to doubt – open to question – uncertain – regardless of
how it is used
‘The word ‘proposition’, if it is
to have any meaning at all here, is equivalent to a calculus: to a calculus in
which p v ~p is a tautology (in which the “law of the excluded middle” holds).
When it is supposed not to hold, we have altered the concept of proposition.
But that does not mean we have a discovery (found something that is a
proposition and yet doesn’t obey such and such a law); it means we have a new
stipulation, or set up a new game.’
the proposition is a proposal – open to question – open to doubt –
uncertain
the point a language-game is that it is rule-governed –
if you play a language-game
properly – the propositions of the game as played
–
are not open to question –i.e.
the steps in a proof
as played they are moves of
the game –
and the game as played is not questioned
game-playing is a mode of
propositional use – of propositional activity
when we engage in propositional
behaviour that is not rule-governed –
if our propositional activity is
rational – our activity – is logical –
that is to say we regard our
propositions – our proposals – as
open to question – open to doubt – as uncertain
our propositional reality is
uncertain – we operate in and with uncertainty – our lives are explorations of
uncertainty –
yes you can pretend otherwise – deny the logical reality – and attempt to hide
yourself – and the world – in some pretence
of certainty –
it doesn’t work – it is dead end – and you miss out on so
much of life
human beings think and play –
play is a relief from thinking –
and thinking the relief from play
24 If you want to know what is proved, look at the proof
‘Mathematicians only go astray,
when they want to talk about calculi in general; they do so because they forget
the particular stipulations that are the foundations of each particular
calculus.
The reason why all philosophers
of mathematics miss their way is that in logic, unlike natural history, one
cannot justify generalizations by examples. Each particular case has maximum
significance, but once you have it the story is complete, and you can’t draw
from it any general conclusion (or any conclusion at all).
There is no such thing as a
logical fiction and hence you can’t work with logical fictions; you have to
work out each example fully.
The philosopher only marks what
the mathematician casually throws off about his activities.’
logic is the critical
investigation of propositional forms – natural history is a propositional form
–
as with natural history the
concepts and practises of ‘logic’ – are likewise open to question – open to
doubt – are uncertain
‘once you have it the story is
complete’ –
yes – the story is ‘complete’ –
if it is not questioned –
propositional reality is open – logically speaking no story is ‘complete’
what counts as ‘fact’ and what
counts as ‘fiction’ – is a matter of speculation
the philosopher investigates
forms of language – whether casually thrown off –
or not
‘The philosopher easily gets into
the position of a ham-fisted director, who instead of doing his own work and merely
supervising his employees to see they do their work well, takes over their jobs
until one day he finds himself overburdened with other people’s work while his
employees watch and criticize him. He is particularly inclined to saddle
himself with the work of the mathematician.’
mathematicians don’t need
‘supervision’ by non-mathematicians –
should a mathematician question
the basis of what he does – that is – ask a philosophical
question –
i.e. what is the epistemological
status of the propositions I work with?
then a philosopher – someone who
focuses on such matters – and has some expertise in this area – is a good
person to talk to –
as for philosophers – their expertise is in critical thinking
with respect to the ground of human practises
with or without this expertise
human practises go on
mathematics would be mathematics
whether or not a question was ever raised concerning its basis
‘If you want to know what the
expression “continuity of a function” means, look at the proof of continuity;
that will show you what it proves. Don’t look at the results as it is expressed
in prose, or in the Russellian notation, which is simply a translation of the
prose expression; but fix your attention on the calculation actually going on
in the proof. The verbal expression of the allegedly proved proposition is in
most cases misleading, because it conceals the real purport of the proof, which
can be seen in full clarity in the proof itself.’
‘If you want to know what the
expression “continuity of a function” means, look at the proof of continuity;
that will show you what it proves.’ –
the ‘proof’ is a language game –
if you play the game – what will you know?
the action of the game – as
described in the steps of the proof
‘Don’t look at the results as it
is expressed in prose, or in the Russellian notation, which is simply a
translation of the prose expression’
how the action is ‘expressed’ –
is logically open – open to question
a prose expression might be
useful in certain contexts – just as indeed a Russellian notation might well be of use in certain
contexts
‘but fix your attention on the
calculation actually going on in the proof.’ –
the calculation is an action – which if not described is unknown
the action is described in the
‘proof’ – the action may be described in prose – the action may be described in
Russellian notation –
mathematicians describe the
action in the language-game ‘proof’ – and if you are doing mathematics – that should do the trick
‘The verbal expression of the
allegedly proved proposition is in most cases misleading, because it conceals
the real purport of the proof, which can be seen in full clarity in the proof
itself.’
perhaps the verbal expression is
for mathematicians – misleading –
any proposal – any proposition –
any language-game – can be regarded as ‘clear’ – if it is not put to question –
not made the subject of doubt –
if a proposition – a proposal –
is not held open to question – open to doubt – not understood as uncertain –
then we are dealing not with
logic – but with rhetoric –
the rhetoric – dare I say – of
mathematics
‘ “Is the equation satisfied by
any numbers?”; “It is satisfied by numbers”; “It is satisfied by all (no)
numbers.” Does your calculus have proofs? And what proofs? It is only from them
that we will be able to gather the sense of these propositions and questions.’
the ‘sense’ of these propositions
and questions?
‘sense’ is a question of context
– of use –
and here we are clearly in the
context of mathematics –
you get the sense of these
propositions and questions – if you know where you are – propositionally –
that is if you can place them in
their context of use
proofs do have a place in this
context –
however the proof – or knowing
the proof – is not necessary to establish a context –
you can get the sense here – with or without proofs
‘Tell me how you seek and I will tell you what you are seeking.’
a methodology that is logical – will be open to question –
open to doubt – will be uncertain –
as indeed will be the description
of the object of the method – of the inquiry – of the endeavour
we operate with and in
uncertainty
and furthermore what you are
looking for may determine how you proceed
there are no rules as to how to
proceed – or rules for what a procedure will result in –
if you proceed rationally – you
keep an open mind
and whether you begin with ‘how’
– in your search for ‘what’ – or ‘what’ leads you to ‘how’
is no more than a question of
circumstance
‘We must first ask ourselves: is
the mathematical proposition proved? If so, how? For the proof is part of the
grammar of the proposition! – The fact that this is so often not understood
arises from our thinking once again along the lines of a misleading analogy. As
usual in these cases, it is an analogy from our thinking in natural sciences.
We say, for example, “this man died two hours ago” and if someone asks us “how
can you tell that?” we can give a series of indications (symptoms). But we can
also leave open the possibility that medicine may discover hitherto unknown
methods of ascertaining the time of death. That means that we can already
describe such possible methods; it isn’t their description that is discovered.
What is ascertained experimentally is whether the description corresponds to
the facts. For example, I
may say: one method consists in
discovering the quantity of haemoglobin in the blood, because this diminishes
according to such and such a law in proportion to the time after death. Of
course that isn’t correct, but if it were correct, nothing in my imaginary
description would change. If you call the medical discovery “the discovery of a
proof that the man died two hours ago” you must go on to say that the discovery
does not change anything in the grammar of the proposition “the man died two
hours ago”. The discovery is the discovery that a particular hypothesis is true
(or agrees with the facts). We are so accustomed to these ways of thinking,
that we take the discovery of a proof in mathematics, sight unseen, as being
the same or similar. We are wrong to do so because, to put it concisely, the
mathematical proof couldn’t be described before it is discovered.
The “medical proof” didn’t
incorporate the hypothesis it proved into any new calculus, so it didn’t give
it any new sense; a mathematical proof incorporates the mathematical
proposition into a new calculus, and alters its position in mathematics. The
proposition with its proof doesn’t belong to the same category as the
proposition without the proof. (Unproved mathematical propositions – signposts
for mathematical investigation, stimuli to mathematical constructions.)’
as to natural science –
yes we have ‘empirical’
hypotheses – descriptions – and experiments – descriptions – that are tests –
put against the ‘facts’ – which are descriptions –
our hypotheses – our tests and
our ‘facts’ – our descriptions – are proposals
– open to question – open to doubt – uncertain
mathematical proof –
is a deductive language-game – a
form of propositional argument –
the premises and conclusion of
such an argument are proposals – open
to question – open to doubt – uncertain
‘Are all the variables in the
following equations variables of the same kind?
x2 + y2 + 2xy = (x + y) 2
x2 + 3x + 2 = 0
x2 + ax + b = 0
x2 + xy
+ z = 0 ?
That depends on the use of the
equations. – But the distinction between no. 1 and no. 2 (as they are
ordinarily used) is not a matter of the extension of the values satisfying
them. How do you prove the proposition “No. 1 holds for all values of x and y”
and how do you prove the proposition “there are values of x that satisfy No.
2?” There is no more or no less similarity between the senses of the two
propositions than there is between the proofs.’
the sense of a proposition? –
in general aren’t we talking here
about how a proposition is used?
and that means its use – in a
propositional context –
and if that is the case – then we
can’t speak of the sense of a proposition – in isolation from a propositional
context
and any assessment of
propositional context – will be open to question – open to doubt – uncertain
as regards equations – these
propositions are sign-games –
and so the question is – does
context change the sense of a game?
I think not – the sense of an
equation – is an internal property of the game –
which is to say the sense of the
game is the rules of the game –
there is no ‘external’ sense – or
contextual sense to equations – to mathematical games –
the equation has the same ‘sense’
– if you like – wherever it is played
as to proofs –
what you have there is a form of
argument –
which if applied – does not
depend on propositional context –
it is a formal representation
‘But can’t I say of an equation
“I know it doesn’t hold for some substitutions – I’ve forgotten now which; but whether it doesn’t hold in
general, I don’t know?” But what do you mean when you say you know that? How do
you know? Behind the words “I know …” there isn’t a certain state of mind to be
the sense of those words. What can you do with that knowledge? That’s what will
show what the knowledge consists in. Do you know a method for ascertaining that
the equation doesn’t hold in general? Do you remember that the equation doesn’t
hold for some values of x between 0 and 1000? Or did someone just show you the
equation and say he had found values of x that didn’t satisfy the equation, so
that perhaps you don’t yourself know how to establish it for a given value?
etc. etc.’
‘I know it doesn’t hold for some
substitutions – I’ve forgotten now which;
but whether it doesn’t hold in general, I don’t know’?
‘in general’ here can only mean
‘some’ –
so the original statement can be
either – ‘I know it doesn’t hold for some substitutions’ or ‘I know it does
hold for some substitutions’ –
these statement amount to the
same thing –
and so the ‘I don’t know’
here – is wrong – is out of place
‘But what do you mean when you
say you know that? How do you know? Behind the words “I know …” there isn’t a
certain state of mind to be the sense of those words’
‘knowing’ here – means playing
the game – playing the equation game –
you play the game with different
values – to see if the game can be
played with the values you have chosen
if it can’t – then the values are
not applicable to the game –
your knowledge here consists in play –
and the play is simply a function
of enacting or following the rules of the game
if you don’t know the rules you
can’t play –
if you don’t accept the rules –
you can’t play
the whole point of the equation
is to find out which values satisfy the equation –
in this respect it is a game of
trial and error
‘ “I have worked out that there
is no number that …” – In what system of calculation does that calculation
occur? – That will show us to which proposition-system the worked-out
proposition belongs. (One also asks: how does one work out something like that?)’
‘I have worked out that there is
no number that …’ –
means you are not using a
number-game – that has the result that you are looking for
‘In what system of calculation
does that calculation occur?’ –
if you are not playing a
calculation game that gets you the result you want – then there is no calculation
your conclusion – ‘I have worked
out that there is no number that …’ – is –
‘there is no number-game that .…’ –
or perhaps ‘I don’t know of a number-game that ..’
look the bald fact is – you
are not doing mathematics –
doing mathematics is playing the game –
you have no game to play here –
and indeed – you have not worked-out anything at all
imagining a result (‘there is no
number that ..’) – to a non-existent game – or a game you are not playing – is
not mathematics
‘I have worked out that there is
no number that …’ – strikes me as ignorant – speculation
what you have here is not
mathematics – but rather a pretence of
mathematics
“I have discovered that there is
such a number.”
“I have worked out that there is
no such number.”
In the first sentence I cannot
substitute “no such” for “such a”. What if in the second I put “such a” for “no such”? Let’s
suppose the result of a calculation isn’t the proposition “~ ($n)” but “($n) etc.” Does it then make sense to say something
like “Cheer up! Sooner or later you
must come to such a number, if only you try long enough”? That would only make
sense if the result of the proof has not been “($n) etc.” but something that sets limits to testing,
and therefore a quite different result. That is the contradictory of what we
call an existence theorem, a theorem that tells us to look for a number, is not
the proposition “(n) etc.” but a proposition that says that in such and such an
interval there is no number which … What is the contradictory of what is
proved? – For that you must look at the proof. We can say the contradictory of
a proved proposition is what would have been proved instead of it if a particular
miscalculation had been made in the proof. If now, for instance, the proof that
~ ($n)
etc. is the case is an induction that shows that however far I go such a number
cannot occur, the contradictory of this proof (using this expression for the
sake of the argument) is not the existence of a proof in our sense. This case
isn’t like a proof that one or none of the numbers a, b, c, d has the property e; and
that is the case that one always has before one’s mind as a paradigm. In that
case I could make a mistake by believing that c had the property and after I
had seen the error I would know that none of the numbers had the property. But
at this point the analogy just collapses.
(This is connected with the fact
that I can’t ipso facto use the negations of equations in every calculus in
which I use equations. For 2 x 3 ¹ 7 doesn’t mean that the equation 2x 3 =7 isn’t to
occur, like the equation 2 x 3 = sine; the negation is an exclusion within a
predetermined system. I can’t negate a definition as I can an equation derived
by rules.)
If you say that in an existence
proof the interval isn’t essential, because another interval might have done as
well, of course that doesn’t mean that not specifying an interval would have
done as well. – The relation of a proof of non-existence to a proof of
existence is not the same as that of a proof of p to a proof of its
contradictory.
One should suppose that in a
proof of the contradictory of “($n)” it must be possible for a negation to slip in
which would enable “~ ($n)” to be proved erroneously. Let’s for once start
at the other end with the proofs, and suppose we were shown them first and then
asked: what do these calculations prove? Look at the proofs and then decide
what they prove.’
the first statement should be –
‘I have constructed a new game’ –
and if we are to be consistent –
the second statement would be –
‘I have not constructed a game’ –
and of course – rather a pointless statement
numbers are markers – operatives
in a game – in a sign-game –
to speak of numbers outside of a
sign-game is logically incoherent
an ‘existence’ theorem – ‘a
theorem that tells us to look for a number’ – makes no logical sense
‘construct a sign-game’ – yes but
would we call that an ‘existence theorem’? –
it’s what creative mathematicians
will do
as for the ‘contradictory of an
existence theorem’ –
where is the value – the sense in
proposing – what – quite simply –‘doesn’t exist’?
‘the contradictory of a proved
proposition’?
yes – yes you could put up such a
proposal – such an argument – but all it actually means is that you do not use the ‘proved proposition’ – you don’t
work with it – you don’t use it –
beyond that such a proposal –
such an argument – is just verbiage
or as Wittgenstein says in
relation to equations –
(‘For 2 x 3 ¹ 7 doesn’t mean that the equation 2x 3 =7 isn’t to
occur, like the equation 2 x 3 = sine; the negation is an exclusion within a
predetermined system. I can’t negate a definition as I can an equation derived
by rules.)’
‘within a predetermined system’ –
means according to rules of practise that the practitioners adhere to
if you play the sign-game in
accordance with the accepted rules of practice – there will be no error –
‘error’ has no place in the game
as for – ‘Look at the proofs and
then decide what they prove.’ –
‘proofs’ – are deductive language
games – if they are constructed properly – they ‘prove’ – what has been
proposed –
and it is just what is proposed – as distinct from what is
not proposed – that we operate with – go forward with – that we use
‘I don’t need to assert that it must be possible to
construct the n roots of equations of the n-th- degree; I merely say that the
proposition “this equation has n roots” hasn’t the same meaning if I’ve proved it by enumerating the constructed
roots as if I’ve proved it in a different way. If I find a formula for the
roots of an equation, I’ve constructed a new calculus; I haven’t filled the gap
in an old one.
yes – a new calculus – a new game
–
‘Hence it is nonsense to say that
the proposition isn’t proved until such a construction is produced. For when we
do that we construct something new, and what we now mean by the fundamental
theorem of algebra is what the present ‘proof’ shows us.’
the proof of a proposition – is a
language-game – a deductive argument –
as regards ‘a new construction’ –
that is a sign-game that is being proposed for use –
using the new construction – the
new game – is a separate matter to the proof of the proposition
the ‘present proof’ – gives the
proposition a functional validity –
that is to say the practitioners
regard the proof as a sign of the validity of their practise
and as the sign to proceed with
the proposition
what ‘the fundamental theorem of
algebra’ then amounts to – is – nothing more than –
the functional validity of the
practise – the practise of algebra –
the playing of the game
‘ “Every existence proof must
contain a construction of what it proves the existence of.” You can only say “I
won’t call anything an “existence” proof unless it contains such a
construction”. The mistake consists in pretending to posses a clear concept of existence.
We think we can prove a
something, existence, in such a way that we are then convinced of it independently of the proof. (The idea of
proofs independent of each other – and so presumably independent of what is
proved.) Really existence is what is proved by the procedures we call
“existence proof”. When the intuitionists and others talk about this they say:
“This state of affairs, existence, can be proved only this and not thus.” And
they don’t see that by saying that they have simply defined what they call existence. For it isn’t at all
like saying “that a man is in the room can only be proved by looking inside,
not by listening at the door”.’
what exists is what is proposed –
what is proposed – is open to
question – is open to doubt – is uncertain
as for an ‘existence proof’ – no
more than an argument regarding which proposal to use
‘the man is in the room’ – is a proposal – open to question – open to
doubt – uncertain
and any evidence for the proposal
– or argument for the proposal – is logically speaking – no more than another
set of proposals – open to question – open to doubt –
and uncertain
‘We have no concept of existence
independent of our concept of an existence proof.’
this is a presumptuous statement
– to say the least –
who are ‘we’ – and do ‘we’ really
think that ‘our’ concept – is all that can be offered up – in regard to the
question of existence?
my view is that what exists is what is proposed –
and further that any proposal
– is open to question – open to doubt – is uncertain
as to an ‘existence proof’ –
an ‘existence proof’ is an argument – a proposal or set of proposals
and there is nothing against taking a particular view on the ‘concept of
existence’ – i.e. adopting the so
called ‘existence proof’ –
and if that is the practice – within the given practice – so be it –
however the fact remains –
this will be just one practice among many in the whole range of propositional
practices – of human practices –
all of which – from a logical point of view – are open to question –
open to doubt –
and are uncertain
‘Why do I say that we don’t discover a proposition like the fundamental
theorem of algebra, and that we merely construct it? – Because in proving it we
give it a new sense that it didn’t have before. Before the so called proof was
only a rough pattern of that sense in the word-language.’
any so called ‘fundamental theorem of algebra’ is a proposal – open to question – open to doubt – uncertain
what we do is propose – that
is the basic logical action –
you can dress it up and call it a ‘discovery’ – or a ‘construction’ – the fact remains
– it is – a proposal –
‘proving it’ is just putting up an argument for it – which – when all is
said and done is another – proposal
as to ‘rough pattern of that sense’ – another description
the real question is – what is the point?
what is the point of a so called ‘fundamental theorem of algebra’?
what is shown by such a proposal that is not shown in any algebraic
game?
what is shown in such a proposal that is not shown in the practice of
algebra?
you don’t need to underpin your practice with ‘fundamentals’ –
all that counts is doing the work with the tools you have –
how you describe that – after – or before the fact – is – I would say – irrelevant – to the practice
it is just packaging – rhetoric
‘Suppose someone were to say: chess only had to be discovered, it was
always there! Or: the pure game of chess was always there; we only made the
material game alloyed with matter.’
we can say – in retrospect – chess was proposed –
as to – ‘it was always there’ –
it was only ‘there’ – when proposed –
the ‘pure game of chess’ – is a proposal
the making of the material game – was a proposal – or set of proposals –
that presumably followed the initial proposal of the game
‘If a calculus in mathematics is altered by discoveries, can’t we
preserve the old calculus? (That is, do we have to throw it away?) That is a very
interesting way of looking at the matter. After the discovery of the North Pole
we don’t have two earths, one with and one without the North pole. But after
the discovery of the law of the distribution of the primes, we do have two
kinds of primes.’
do we have a use for the old calculus?
after the discovery of the North Pole we have two descriptions of the
earth
after the discovery of the law of the distribution of primes – we have
two proposals regarding primes –
two ‘prime’ proposals
‘A mathematical question must be no less exact than a mathematical
proposition. You can see the misleading way in which the mode of expression of
word-language represents the sense of mathematical propositions if you call to
mind the multiplicity of a mathematical proof and consider that the proof
belongs to the sense of the proved proposition, i.e. determines that sense. It
isn’t something that brings it about that we believe a particular proposition,
but something that shows us what we
believe – if we talk of believing here at all. In mathematics there are concept
words: cardinal number, prime number, etc. That is why it seems to make sense
straight off if we ask “how many prime numbers are there?” (Human beings
believe if only they hear the words …) In reality this combination of words is
so far from nonsense; until; it is given a special syntax. Look at the
proof “that there are infinitely
many primes,” and then at the question that it appears to answer. The result of
an intricate proof can have a simple verbal expression only if the system of
expressions to which this expression belongs has a multiplicity corresponding
to a system of such proofs. Confusions in these matters are entirely the result
of treating mathematics as a kind of natural science. And this is concerned
with the fact that mathematics has detached itself from natural science; for so
long as it is done in immediate connection with physics, it is clear that it isn’t a natural science (similarly,
you can’t mistake a broom for part of the furnishing of a room as long as you
use it to clean the furniture).
‘A mathematical question must be no less exact than a mathematical
proposition ‘ –
a ‘mathematical question’ – as with any question – and indeed any proposal – any proposition –
‘mathematical’ or otherwise – is logically speaking – open to question – open
to doubt – is uncertain –
‘determines sense’? –
the ‘sense’ of a proposition – is always up for grabs –
‘determination’ – if it means anything – means – practice – use
if it is the practice (and it is) – to ‘determine’ – a mathematical
proposition in terms of a proof – so be it –
that is the practice – that is
how mathematics is done
‘It isn’t something that brings it about that we believe a particular
proposition, but something that shows
us what we believe – if we talk of believing here at all.’
look – this is an empirical question – i.e. perhaps language users
report that ‘something brings it about that we believe a particular
proposition’ – and perhaps they say also – in certain circumstances – the
proposition can be seen as showing us what we believe
‘if we talk of believing here at all’?
yes – what you ‘believe’ – about the ‘mathematical proposition’ – is
actually entirely irrelevant to the doing
of mathematics – the playing of the game
mathematics is a rule governed language-game –
what counts in the doing of
mathematics is – playing the game –
and you can only do that – if you play by the rules –
in the end it is the propositional action
that counts
‘That is why it seems to make sense straight off if we ask “how many
prime numbers are there?” (Human beings believe if only they hear the words …)
In reality this combination of words is so far from nonsense; until it is given
a special syntax. Look at the proof
“that there are infinitely many primes,” and then at the question that
it appears to answer. The result of an intricate proof can have a simple verbal
expression only if the system of expressions to which this expression belongs
has a multiplicity corresponding to a system of such proofs.’
the question – in ordinary language invites you – requires you – to
engage in the special syntax of the mathematical game –
and an answer in ordinary language requires a translation from that
syntax
‘(Human beings believe if only they hear the words …)’
what counts for believing – is open to question –
what we can say is that a proposition put – has a contingent reality – a
contingent life
and at the very least is recognized – if not entertained – by those who
hear it or see it written
to say that anything proposed is believed – is just plainly wrong –
regardless of how you define ‘believing’ –
and it paints the picture of human beings as stupid – in all
propositional contexts –
which again – is over doing it
‘Confusions in these matters are entirely the result of treating
mathematics as a kind of natural science’
well exactly the same happens in natural science as in mathematics – the
engaging in a technical (non-natural) language – and the ‘translation’ –
usually rough – back to ordinary language
the general point is – we operate with any number of languages and their
multiplicity of forms – i.e. ‘ordinary language’– the language of mathematics –
the language of physics – etc. etc. –
and we translate from one to the other – and to the other – and so on –
and yes – any ‘translation’ – is open to question – to doubt –
just as any language is – and any proposal – any proposition – in any
language is
as to mathematics and physics –
whatever languages a
physicist uses to deal with the problems of physics –
is the language of
physics – as practiced – by that physicist
‘(similarly, you can’t mistake a broom for part of the furnishing of a
room as long as you use it to clean the furniture).’
anything in the room can be
variously described – and can have various uses –
logically speaking the room is
never stable
‘The main danger is surely that the prose expression of the result of a
mathematical operation may give the illusion of a calculus that doesn’t exist,
by bearing the outward appearance of belonging to a system that isn’t there at
all.’
the prose expression – when understood in a mathematical context – points to the mathematical operation –
and its result
it functions as a propositional sign-post
‘A proof is a proof of a particular proposition if it goes by a rule
correlating the proposition to the proof. That is, the proposition must belong
to a system of propositions, and the proof to a system of proofs. And every
proposition in mathematics must belong to a calculus of mathematics. (It cannot
sit in solitary glory and refuse to mix with other propositions.)’
yes
‘So even the proposition “every equation of nth degree has n roots”
isn’t a proposition of mathematics unless it corresponds to a system of
propositions and its proof corresponds to an appropriate system of proofs. For
what good reason have I to correlate that chain of equations etc. (that we call
the proof) to this prose sentence? Must it not be clear – according to a rule –
from the proof itself which proposition it is a proof of?’
‘every equation of nth degree has n roots’ –
this proposition points to mathematics – and yes to a system of
propositions and its proof –
that is a set of propositions that mathematicians use –
so – on this view there is no correlation –
the proposition – ‘every equation of nth degree has n roots’ – only has
mathematical value – if it is substituted for the mathematics
‘Now it is a part of the nature of what
we call propositions that they must be capable of being negated. And the
negation of what is proved also must be connected with a proof; we must, that
is, be able to show in what different, contrasting, conditions it would have
been the result.’
‘And the negation of what is proved also must be connected with a proof’
here we have a deductive language game – the proof – of what is not proposed –
I see no point in this – it strikes me as a useless game of syntax
‘that is, be able to show in what different, contrasting, conditions it
would have been the result.’
a proposition is a proposal – open to question – open to
doubt – uncertain
what we deal with is what is proposed – not – with what is not
proposed –
and what is not-proposed – is
logically speaking – not there –
so to pretend that it is – is
to perpetrate a deception –
for what reason I can’t see –
it strikes me that it is really
just a result of bad logic – a failure to understand the nature of the
proposition – and also the fact that this failure has become entrenched
historically in logical practice
you don’t need to engage in this
‘negation game’ to consider ‘what different, contrasting, conditions it would
have been the result.’
you just need to understand that
the proposition is open to question –
that the proposition is – the
focus of possibility
25 Mathematical problems, Kinds of
problems, Search, “Projects” in mathematics
‘Where you can ask you can look for an answer, and where you cannot look
for an answer you cannot ask either. Nor can you find an answer.’
a proposition put – is open to question – open to doubt – is uncertain
any propositional response put to a proposition – to a proposal – is
open to question – open to doubt – is uncertain
‘Where there is no method of looking for an answer, there the question
too cannot have any sense. – Only where there is a method of solution is there
a question (of course that doesn’t mean: “only where the solution has been
found is there a question). That is: where we can only expect the solution of
the problem from some sort of revelation, there isn’t even a question. To a
revelation no question corresponds.’
a method is an explanation –
it is a proposal to account for how and / or why a proposal has been put
a method for an answer – is the explanation of the answer – a
propositional account of a proposed answer
a question can be asked without explanation –
not-knowing is the ground of questioning
a method of solution – is an explanation of solution – a proposal for
the how and / or why of a solution
a solution can be given – without explanation –
an explanation is the back story of any proposal –
as to whether such a proposal will be accepted – that is another matter
a revelation – is a solution –
a revelation is an explanation –
as a matter of fact much of the world – explains the world by revelation
–
and regards such explanation as solution
that others don’t accept revelation as explanation or solution –
is an argument to be had
and a proposed revelation can be the answer to a question –
that such a proposal is put to question – put to doubt – is logical
any proposal is open to interpretation – and any proposal can be
variously described
i.e. – do we not at times regard nature – the physical world – as a
revelation?
and indeed could it not be said that an observation is a revelation?
and do we not have the expectation that the truth will be revealed?
‘The supposition of undecidability presupposes that there is, so to
speak, an underground connection between the two sides of an equation; that
though the bridge cannot be built in symbols, it does exist, because otherwise
the equation would lack sense. – But the connection only exists if we have made
it by symbols; the transition isn’t produced by some dark speculation different
in kind from what it connects (like a dark passage between two sunlit places.’
yes – either the equation is stated
– or there is no equation
if the game cannot be formulated – that is – stated – there is no game
to play – there is no mathematics
speculation here –
‘so to speak, an underground connection between the two sides of an
equation; that though the bridge cannot be built in symbols it does exist’ –
is I think best seen as pre-mathematical
‘I cannot use the expression “the equation E yields the solution S”
unambiguously until I have a method of solution; because “yields” refers to a
structure that I cannot designate unless I am acquainted with it. For that
would mean using the word “yields”
without knowing its grammar. But I might also say: When I use the
“yields” in such a way as to bring in a method of solution, it doesn’t have the
same meaning as when this isn’t the case. Here the word “yields” is like the
word “win” (or “lose”) when at one time the criterion for “winning” is a
particular set of events in the game (in that case I must know the rules of the
game in order to be able to say that someone has won) and at another by
“winning” I mean something that I could express roughly by “must pay”.’
to say ‘a method of solution’ rather than ‘a meaning’ –indicates that
already there is a type of context in mind – specifically mathematical –
so to call for a method of solution here is to place ‘yields’ in a
mathematical context – which is to say use a mathematical concept to explain
‘yields’
as to using ‘yields’ without knowing its grammar?
grammar is explanation of use – and in fact terms and indeed
propositions are used without – ‘knowing the grammar’ – this is common practice
yes – we get pulled up when the use is put to question –
and while we do operate with ‘some idea’ of the explanation of our terms
and propositions – our idea here is more often than not – indeterminate – fuzzy
and it must also be recognized – that – different ‘grammars’ –
explanations – of terms of propositions – are invariably in play – in any
language exchange –
pining down an accepted and workable – ‘grammar’ – is hard work – and I
would say rarely seriously attempted –
our language use – our grammars – are uncertain –
and this is not a result of in attention – carelessness – or dissipation
–
it is of the nature of the beast –
our propositions – our proposals – are – open to question – to doubt –
are uncertain –
language is the expression – the great ever changing canvas – of
uncertainty
‘But I might also say: When I use the “yields” in such a way as to bring
in a method of solution, it doesn’t have the same meaning as when this isn’t
the case’
yes – but no big deal –
meaning is a function of context – of use – it is uncertain – even when
a decision has been made as to ‘how to use ..’ – the matter is still open to
question
nevertheless we do make decisions as to meaning – as to how to proceed –
but there is nothing to appeal to (outside of use – and its indeterminacy) to
validate those decisions – this is a hard fact to face
to understand this and to live at peace with it is to be rational – it
is a difficult acceptance –
and we can understand the fall back to prejudice – as a surety –
natural as that may be – it is weak – and without any genuine
satisfaction –
the problem is you don’t get anywhere with stupidity –
and really it puts you out of the game – the hard game of living –
which of course – is the idea for some – and is in its own way a valid
choice –
my argument against such a move is – you are kidding yourself – deluding
yourself –
if you think it will work –
however try telling that to someone who doesn’t see that questioning and
doubt show the futility of any claim to certainty –
some prejudices – for all intents and purposes – are rock solid – in
certain hearts and certain minds –
infertile ground
‘If we employ “yields” in the first meaning, then “the equation yields
S” means: if I transform the equation in accordance with certain rules I get S.
Just as the equation 25 x 25 = 620 says I get 620 if I apply the rules for
multiplication to 25 x 25. But in this case these rules must already be given
to me before the “yields” has a meaning, and before the question whether the
equation yields S has a sense.’
yes the rules must already be
given – if ‘yields’ is to have a rule governed sense
and the rules must be presupposed
if the question whether the equation yields S – is to have a rule governed
sense –
which means the question must be
understood to be asking for a rule governed answer
this discussion of rules does
raise the question – are we to say that any rule governed propositional action
– that is to say any propositional game – is properly regarded as mathematical
– that is even without what we recognize as mathematical symbols or operations?
or another way of putting the question
is to ask – is what we call ‘mathematics’ really just a form of what is
mathematics – in a more general sense?
mathematics as any rule governed
propositional action?
‘It is not enough to say “p is provable”; we should say: provable
according to a particular system.
And indeed the proposition doesn’t assert that p is provable according
to a particular system S, but according to its own system, the system that p
belongs to. That p belongs to the system S cannot be asserted (that has to show
itself). – We can’t say, p belongs to system S; we can’t ask, to which system
does p belong; we cannot search for p’s system. “To understand p” means, to
know its system. If p appears to cross over from one system to another, it has
in fact changed its sense.’
the proposition ‘p is provable’ – is – as with any proposition – open to
question – open to doubt – is uncertain
of course we can say ‘p belongs to system S’ – if by ‘belongs’ we mean p
functions in system S
and indeed we can ask to which system p belongs if what we are doing is
systematic – requires the use of systems – and p has been put – put before us –
for consideration
it is no big deal to ask the question
as for searching for p’s system –
this is no more than looking for where we can place p in a systematic
scenario – if that is what we are considering
to understand p – is to recognize that p is open to question – open to
doubt – is uncertain
perhaps p has a function in a system – perhaps it doesn’t
it is not that p ‘may appear to cross over from one system to another’ –
however it may be the case that p is used in one system – and then in
another –
a different system may involve – and most likely will involve a
different use of p –
in any case – the sense of p – whatever system it is placed in – or even
if it is not placed in a system –
will be open to question – open to doubt – will be uncertain –
and any system under consideration or in use – will be – as with p –
open to question – open to doubt – uncertain
and I seriously doubt that this would be news to any working
mathematician
‘It is impossible to make discoveries of novel rules holding of a form
already familiar to us (say the sign of an angle). If they are new rules, then
it is not of the old form.’
making discoveries – propositional discoveries?
well a new proposal – is a contingent fact – if it happens – it happens
– if it doesn’t – it doesn’t –
impossibility?
who is to say what can’t happen in the way of proposal?
how could anyone know?
and if you can’t know – how can you say? –
as to novel rules –
to say the discovery of novel proposals is impossible – simply defies
the fact –
for every proposal is at some time – is in some way – novel –
how can you know what will be proposed?
and yes you are likely to find new rules – for a new proposal –
but you may also ‘discover’ that old rules can work too –
playing God is a dead end –
and the real sin here is – irrelevance
‘If I know the rules of elementary trigonometry I can check the
proposition sin 2x = 2 sin x. cos x, but not the proposition sin x = x – x3 + x5
– … but that means the sine
3! 5!
function of elementary trigonometry and that of higher trigonometry are
different concepts.
The two propositions stand as it were on different planes. However far I
travel on the first plane I will never come to the proposition on the higher
plane.
A schoolboy, equipped with the armory of elementary trigonometry and
asked to test the equation sin x = x - x3
3!
simply wouldn’t find what he needs to tackle the problem. He not merely couldn’t answer the
question, he couldn’t even understand it. (It would be like the task the prince
set the smith in the fairytale: fetch me a ‘Fiddle-de-dee’. Bausch, Volsmarchen).’
different concepts – yes – different games – different rules
the two concepts on different planes – we don’t need a geometrical image
here – what we have plainly and simply is – different games
we are not dealing here with nonsense – which I think is the point of
the reference to the prince setting the smith the task of fetching him a
fiddle-de-dee – the schoolboy who is only equipped to do elementary
trigonometry – is being asked to complete a task he is not equipped for – he is
being asked to play a game he can’t play – perhaps someone should teach him the
game
‘We call it a problem, when we are asked “how many are 25 x 16”, but
also when we are asked: what is ò sin2 x dx. We regard the first
as much easier than the second, but we don’t see that they are problems in
different senses. Of course the
distinction is not a psychological one; it isn’t a question of whether the
pupil can solve the problem, but whether the calculus can solve it, or which calculus
can solve it.’
a ‘problem’ – perhaps – I don’t know – but certainly a question
and if a question is asked – an answer is looked for
‘how many are 25 x 16’ and ‘what is ò sin2 x dx.’ –
two different questions
‘we don’t see that they are problems in different senses’ –
different questions – different answers
‘Of course the distinction is not a
psychological one; it isn’t a question of whether the pupil can solve the
problem, but whether the calculus can solve it, or which calculus can solve it.’
yes – exactly
‘The distinctions to which I can draw attention are ones that are
familiar to every schoolboy. Later on we look down on those distinction, as we
do on the Russian abacus (and geometrical proofs using diagrams); we regard
them as inessential, instead of seeing them as essential and fundamental’
this is just a point of view on intellectual fashion – if not prejudice
forget ‘fundamental’ – ‘essential’ – ‘inessential’ – these are no more
than rhetorical terms
yes – we have – different propositional forms – for different
propositional tasks –
what we should teach the schoolboy – is firstly – to keep an open and
mind on how to approach a question –
and to be aware of what propositional techniques have been developed and
used –
and most importantly – to understand that different games – are played
differently –
in the end little more than commonsense
‘Whether a pupil knows a rule for
ensuring a solution to òsin2 x. dx is of no interest; what does interest us is whether
the calculus we have us (and that he happens to be using) contains such a rule.
What interests us is not whether
the pupil can do it, but whether the calculus can do it, and how it does it.’
yes – that is true –
but at the same time it must be
appreciated that the calculus – doesn’t exist in a vacuum –
it is a human proposal –
if it works – it works because it
can be shown to work –
that is to say it can be
demonstrated – and so – understood
a ‘calculus’ that can’t be shown
to work – that cannot be demonstrated –
is just a string of undefined
syntax
‘In the case of 25 x 16 = 370 the calculus we use prescribes every step
for the checking of the equation.
“I succeeded in proving this”
is a remarkable expression. (That is something no one would say in the case of
25 x 16 = 400).’
’25 x 16 = 370’ –
has the form or appearance of an
equation – but it is not an equation
it is not a game – it cannot be
played
if you know the rules of the game
– you discount it immediately
there is nothing to check –
you either follow the rules or
you don’t
‘25 x 16 = 400’ –
is a propositional rule govern
game –
if you follow the rules – you can
play the game
‘One could lay down: whatever one can tackle is a problem. –Only where
there can be a problem, can something be asserted.’
an assertion – that is a proposal
– a proposition – is open to question – open to doubt – is uncertain
that is the logic of the matter
if you want to introduce this concept of ‘problem’ – which I see to be
unnecessary –
then in terms of propositional logic – any assertion (open to question –
open to doubt – uncertain) – is a problem
only where there is a proposal (an assertion) – can there be a problem
‘Wouldn’t all this lead to the paradox that there are no difficult
problems in mathematics, since if anything is difficult it isn’t a problem?
What follows is, that the “difficult mathematical problems”, i.e. the problems
for mathematical research aren’t in the same relationship to the problem “25 x
25 = ?” as a feat of acrobatics is to a somersault. They aren’t related, that
is, just as very easy to very difficult; they are problems in different
meanings of the word.’
firstly –
yes – playing the mathematical game – is not problematic –
it is simply a matter of following the rules of the game –
you play the game
and by ‘game’ – is meant here a propositional construction – that is without question – without
doubt – without ‘problem’ –
if you question – if you doubt – if you look for and / or find
‘problems’ –
you are not playing the game –
you are not doing mathematics
secondly –
any game that is played must first be proposed – must be constructed –
as to any such proposal – any such construction – we face questions –
doubt – uncertainty –
and you can call this level of activity ‘pure mathematics’ – or in fact
– just ordinary propositional logic –
for any proposal – be it a game proposal or not – is open to question –
open to doubt – is uncertain
the pure mathematician proposes and constructs the games that the
practicing mathematician utilizes – calls on – plays
the pure mathematician is in the business of propositional game
construction
finally –
the game as devised – as
constructed – is a result of question and doubt –
the game as played – is played
without question – without doubt
‘ “You say ‘where there is a question, there is also a way to answer
it’, but in mathematics there are questions that we do not see any way to
answer.’ Quite right, and all that follows from that is that in this case we
are not using the word ‘question’ in the same sense as above. And perhaps I
should have said “here there are two different forms and I want to use the word
‘question’ only for the first”. But this latter point is a side issue. What is
important is that we are concerned with two different forms. (And if you say
they are just two different kinds of
question you do not know your way about the grammar of the word “kind”.)’
a proposition is a proposal –
open to question – open to doubt – uncertain
if you understand this – you also understand that – a proposition – a
proposal – as uncertain – raises questions – is a ‘logical space’ – for
questions –
‘a way to answer questions’?
a way to answer questions – is a proposal –
now it doesn’t follow that because a question has been asked – there is
necessarily a way to answer it
there may be a proposal here – or there may not be –
it is a contingent issue
however ‘any proposal to answer’ – will be open to question – open to
doubt – will be uncertain
‘not seeing a way to answer’ – is not peculiar to mathematics –
many questions in many propositional contexts are asked – for which ‘a
way to answer’ – is not seen –
we are not dealing here with two
different forms of question –
a ‘question’ – in whatever
context – invites exploration –
exploration of propositional
uncertainty
‘”I know that there is a solution for this problem, although I don’t yet
know what kind of solution” – In what symbolism do you know it?’
a ‘solution’ – will be a proposal – that purports to resolve whatever the
issue is –
and that proposal – will be open to question – open to doubt – will be
logically speaking – uncertain –
but it will be there – it will be proposed
if you have no proposal – you have no solution
you don’t know that there is a solution – or what kind of solution there
is –
unless you have a proposal
as to ‘in what symbolism do you know it’?
well – we await the proposal –
for if we have a proposal – it’s symbolism will be clear
‘ “I know that here there must be a law.” Is this knowledge an amorphous
feeling accompanying the utterance of the sentence?’
a law is a proposal – in a propositional context – that has been
accepted as a direction for proceeding – by those engaged with the issues of
that propositional context –
whether there is such a law – such a proposal – is a contingent issue –
either there is – or there isn’t –
there is no ‘must’ – no ‘necessity’ – in propositional logic –
‘must’ – is a term that has no logical function – it’s function is
rhetorical
all knowledge – is propositional – that is to say – open to question –
open to doubt – uncertain
‘Is this knowledge an amorphous feeling accompanying the utterance of
the sentence?’
‘an amorphous feeling’? –
yes – if by this is meant – a feeling of uncertainty –
and if so –what we then have is the question
– ‘is there a law here?’ – and that is fair enough –
but a feeling of uncertainty – is not consistent with the utterance of
the sentence – ‘I know there must be a law’ – for such an utterance speaks of
certainty –
and to have ‘a feeling of certainty’ – is to be epistemologically
deluded – and is anything but ‘amorphous’
‘That doesn’t interest us. And if it is a symbolic process – well then
the problem is to represent it in
a visible symbolism.’
if the question is whether ‘feelings’ are of interest – then the answer
is no – what we deal with is proposals – propositions
logically speaking there is no feeling – if by feeling is meant – some
kind of non-public reality
a so called ‘feeling’ – expressed in a proposal – a proposition – is the
best you can do here – and that is enough
we are talking here about that which is expressed – made public –
and therefore open to question – open to doubt –
that which is not expressed – not made public – and therefore – not open to question – and not open
to doubt – is not a proposition
as to – ‘a visible symbolism’ –
yes – visible and thus public – a proposal – a proposition –
‘What does it mean to believe Goldbach’s theorem? What does that belief
consist in? In a feeling of certainty as we state or hear the theorem? That
does not interest us. I don’t even know how far this feeling may be caused by
the proposition itself. How does the belief connect with the proposition? Let
us look and see what are the consequences of this belief, where it takes us.
“It makes me search for the proof of
the proposition.” – very well; now let us see what you searching really
consists in. Then we shall know what belief in the proposition consists amounts
to.’
we have a proposition – belief in it amounts to use of it –
the proposition – is a proposal – open to question – open to doubt –
uncertain
the use of it – is a proposal – open to question – open to doubt –
uncertain
belief is uncertain
‘We may not overlook a difference between forms – as we may overlook a
difference between suits, if it is very slight.
For us –that is, in grammar – there are in a certain sense no ‘fine
distinctions’. And altogether the word distinction doesn’t mean at all the same
as it does when it is a question of a distinction between two things.’
the proposition is a proposal –
open to question – open to doubt – uncertain
thus logically speaking there is no distinction between propositions –
any proposition – in any context of use – is open to question – open to
doubt – is uncertain
a proposal to distinguish between two things – is open to question –
open to doubt – is uncertain
‘A philosopher feels a change in the style of a derivation which a
contemporary mathematician passes over calmly with a blank face. What will
distinguish the mathematician of the future will be a greater sensitivity, and
that will – as it were – prune mathematics; since people will then be more
intent on absolute clarity than on the discovery of new games.’
a change in the style of derivation –
is not a change in derivation – just a difference in the way the
derivation is approached or perhaps described – represented
I can well understand that a mathematician would not be all that
interested in what amounts to a change of fashion –
and frankly I think it would be of limited interest to a philosopher
the best way to prune mathematics
is to get philosophers out of it –
absolute clarity – you’ve got to
be joking!
any proposal – any proposition –
is open to question – open to doubt – is uncertain –
we operate in and with
uncertainty –
the discovery of new games – that
is rule governed propositional actions – does not defy propositional
uncertainty – it is a relief from it –
mathematicians can understand
logic – propositional uncertainty – or not – and still do what they do – just
like the rest of us –
wisdom is not necessary to action
‘Philosophical clarity will have the same effect on the growth of
mathematics as sunlight has the growth of potato shoots. (In a dark cellar they
grow yards long.)’
yes – yards and yards of speculation – yards and yards of rhetoric
‘A mathematician is bound to be horrified by my mathematical comments,
since he has always been trained to avoid in indulging in thoughts and doubts
of the kind I develop. He has learned to regard them as something contemptible
and, to use an analogy from psycho-analysis (this paragraph is reminiscent of
Freud), he has acquired a revulsion from them as infantile. That is to say, I
trot out all the problems that a child learning arithmetic, etc., finds
difficult, the problems that education represses without solving. I say to
those repressed doubts: you are quite correct, go on asking, demand
clarification.’
who is to know how any one will regard anything?
speculation is all very well – and it often reveals more about the
speculator – than the subject of the speculation –
in any case – it’s an empirical issue how someone responds to another’s
musings on how they should or should not do their work
I think there is a touch of pretension here from Wittgenstein –
however to the matter at hand – I think a philosophically inclined
mathematician would find Wittgenstein’s views on mathematics to be of great
interest – Wittgenstein is a brilliant thinker – and his work is of lasting
value
the repression argument?
this depends really on just how you regard mathematics – which is of
course a philosophical issue –
i.e. – if you don’t think there are these problems in the first place –
then you are not repressing anything are you?
and really the repression argument is not much more than a stand-over
tactic – from someone with the opposite view –
and when you start introducing Freud – you may as well be introducing
Greek gods pixies or soothsaying –
all very well in the right context – but not here
I don’t think the repression argument would be given the time of day by
practicing mathematicians –
clarification?
our propositions – are proposals –
open to question – open to doubt – uncertain –
question – doubt – uncertainty –
is our daily bread
26 Euler’s proof
‘From the inequality
1 + 1/2 + 1/3 + 1/4 + … ≠
(1 + 1/2 + 1/22 + 1/23 + …) . (1 +
1/3 + 1/32
+ … )
can we derive a number which is still missing from
the combinations on the right hand side? Euler’s proof that there are
infinitely many prime numbers is meant to be an existence proof, but how is
such a proof possible without a construction?’
yes –
there is no proof without a construction –
there is no existence without a construction
in the absence of a construction – we are
effectively left with a ‘speculation space’ – and the question is – how
functional is this?
and does mathematics really have a place for such?
‘infinitely many prime numbers’ – is properly
understood as ‘the prime numbers game’
we play the game – we generate numbers – and the
idea is – if we keep playing the game – we keep generating prime numbers –
‘infinitely many prime numbers’ – is not a number –
it is a game designed to repeat
it is a game to be played – in a speculation space
and really can such a ‘mathematical proposition’
function – with a speculation space
and with such a game played in such a space?
is this mathematics?
if mathematicians say – yes – we use such proposals
– such propositions – and they function –
then that is the end of it –
but then we are dealing with – or playing games –
that can only really be described as mathematically indeterminate
and you could ask – what then is the point of it –
you introduce an indeterminacy – and you end up with indeterminacy?
where’s the result?
actually the same question can be asked in respect
to mathematical determinacy –
what it comes down to – is what it has always come
down to –
it’s not the result – it’s the play
mathematics is the play
mathematicians are the players
‘ ~ 1 + ½ + 1/3 + … = (1 + 1/2 + 1/22 + …).(1 + 1/3 = 1/32 + … )
The argument goes like this: the product on the
right is a series of fractions1/n in whose denominators all multiples of the
form 2n 3m occur; if
there were no numbers besides theses, then the series would necessarily be the
same as the series 1 + 1/2 + 1/3 + … and in that case the sums also would
necessarily be the same. But the left hand side is ¥ and the
right hand side only a finite number 2/1. 3/2 =3, so there are infinitely many
fractions missing in the right-hand series, that is, there are on the left hand side fractions that do not occur on the
right. And now the question is: is this argument correct? If it were a question
of finite series, everything would be
perspicuous. For then the method of summation would enable us to find
out which terms occurring in the left hand series were missing from the right
hand side. Now we might ask: how does it come about that the left hand series
gives ¥? What must
it contain in addition to the terms on the right to make it infinite? Indeed
the question arises: does an equation, like 1 + 1/2 +1/3 …= 3 above have any
sense at all? I certainly can’t find out from it which are the extra terms on the left? In the case of finite series
I can’t say until I have ascertained it term by term; and if I do see at the
same time which are the extra ones. – Here there is no connection between the
result of the sum and the terms, and only such a connection would furnish a
proof. Everything becomes clearest if we imagine the business done with a
finite equation:
1 + 1/2 + 1/3 + 1/4 + 1/5 + 1/6 ≠ (1 +1/2) . (1
+1/3) = 1 + 1/2 + 1/3 + 1/6
Here again we have that remarkable phenomenon that
we might call proof by circumstantial evidence in mathematics – something that
is absolutely never permitted. I might also be called a proof by symptoms. The result of the summation is
(or is regarded as) a symptom that there are terms on the left that are missing
on the right. The connection between the symptom and what we would like to have
proved is a loose connection. That
is, no bridge has been built, but we rest content with seeing the other bank.
All the terms on the right hand side occur on the
left, but the sum on the left hand side is ¥ and the sum
of the right hand side is only a finite number, so there must … but in mathematics nothing must be except what is.
The bridge has to be built.
In mathematics there are no symptoms: it is only in
a psychological sense that there can be symptoms for mathematicians.
We might also put it like this: nothing can be
inferred unless it can be seen.’
I understand Wittgenstein’s frustration here –
it’s apples and oranges – and what is the point?
the fact remains that if the rule is there –
adopted and practiced by mathematicians –
then we have a mathematical game –
but is a ‘speculation space’ – acceptable in an
equation?
clearly it can’t be reasonably seen as a ‘term’ –
it is in fact the absence of a term –
but then this absence is represented – i.e. ‘…’?
and what can you do with it?
accept it?
the point of the equation – of any equation is the
’=’ sign –
and as such there really is no question – of just
whether the left hand side and the right hand side are equal –
that is the rule
and then the question is –
is the proposed equation of use in mathematics – is
it used by mathematicians – and perhaps others – and do they regard its use as
fruitful?
if the answer is yes –
then we have – dare I say it – a ‘valid’ – equation
–
a working equation –
and this – even though at its heart – right at its
heart – is –
propositional uncertainty
‘That reasoning with all its looseness no doubt rests on the confusion
between a sum and the limiting value of a sum.
We do see clearly that however far we continue the right hand series we
can always continue the left hand one far enough to contain all the terms of
the right hand one. (And that leaves it open whether it contains other terms as
well).’
could you say here that the equation functions as a working hypothesis?
or even – a game – the play of which – determines the game – where the
play is undetermined – by the game?
if so you have a new kind of game – a new kind of mathematical game –
a game where subjectivity or indeterminacy – is a feature – a characteristic
– of the game –
and with such a game you could no longer conceive it as independent – of its being played
and it is the game being played
– that is the indeterminate element of the game
we have here an ‘uncertainty principle’ – and a ‘quantum’ mathematics
‘Could I add further prime numbers to the left hand side in this proof?
Certainly not, because I don’t know how to discover any, and that means that I
have no concept of prime number; the proof hasn’t given me one. I could only
add arbitrary numbers (or series).’
if only arbitrary numbers or
series could be added – then could not what is added just be ‘further prime numbers’?
if all we have here is arbitrariness
– then there is no question of
‘knowing how to discover’ or ‘having a concept of prime number’ –
or another way of looking at it is –
in an arbitrary context – ‘knowing how’ or ‘having a concept of’ – would
just be instances of arbitrariness?
‘(Mathematics is dressed up in false interpretations).’
I’m not sure that it is a question of interpretation here – more a
question of the mathematics itself – that is to say the propositions that
mathematicians use and work with –
interpretation comes in when we see
what is happening – and the question is really always to understand –
provide an account that mirrors what is
the case –
or that is the goal –
I think we have to see that any interpretation – any account will be (as
with the practice) – open to question – open to doubt – uncertain – but
nevertheless it should provide some insight into what is happening –
we are always learning – it’s an ongoing business
a false interpretation? – one that does not account for what is
happening?
if you think what is happening – should not be happening – because – it
doesn’t accord with certain principles or standards – then you effectively deny
or argue against what is occurring –
yes you can argue that certain mathematical actions are false – but if
that is the practice you are out in the cold –
and it might be time to have look at your principles and standards – to
put them to the question
there is nothing against having an alternative view – but it is a hard
road to turn against an actual reality –
and where to from there?
‘(“Such a number has to turn up” has no meaning in mathematics. That is
closely connected with the fact that “in logic nothing is more general or more
particular than anything else”).’
if the mathematical game you are playing – as constructed – leaves open
the question of what numbers will occur – then you are dealing with an
indeterminacy
to say ‘such a number must turn up’ – in a game of indeterminacy – is
the gambler’s delusion
‘If the numbers were all multiples of 2 and 3 then
would have to yield
but it does not … What follows from that? (The law excluded middle).
Nothing follows, except that the limiting values of the sums are different;
that is, nothing. But then we might investigate how this comes about. And in so
doing we might hit on numbers that are not representable as 2n 3m. Thus we shall
hit on larger prime numbers, but
we will never see that no number of
such original numbers will suffice for the formulation of all numbers.’
the limiting value of the sums is different – and
this you might expect –
so yes – nothing follows –
investigating this?
‘hitting on numbers not representable by 2n 3m’ –
takes us
out of the 2n 3m. game –
and in going there – out of that game – we don’t
actually effect that game –
we have moved to a different space – with perhaps
the makings of new game
‘we will never see that no number of such original numbers will suffice for the formulation
of all numbers.’
and yes you can say we shall never know –
but that is not the point –
in mathematics – the issue is what we know –
and what we know
– is the determination of the games we propose – construct and play
‘1 + 1/2 +1/3 + … ≠ 1 + 1/2 + 1/22 + 1/23
However many terms of the form 1/2n I take they
never add up to more than 2, whereas the first four terms of the left-hand
series already add up to more than 2 (So this
must already contain the proof.) This also gives us at the same time the
construction of a number that is not a power of 1, for the rule now says: find
a segment of the series that adds up to more than 2: this must contain a number
that is not a power of 2.’
yes – here we have as the ‘≠’ makes clear – a game
of inequality
‘(1 + 1/2 + 1/22 +…) . (1 +
1/3 + 1/32 + …) …(1 + 1/n + 1/n2 …) = n
If I extend the sum 1+1/2 + 1/3 +… until it is
greater than n, this part must contain a term that doesn’t occur in the right
hand series, for if the right hand series contained all those terms it would
yield a larger and not a smaller sum.’
‘If I extend the sum 1+1/2 + 1/3 +… until it is
greater than n’ –
then – (1 + 1/2 + 1/22 +…) . (1 + 1/3 + 1/32 + …) …(1 +
1/n + 1/n2 …)
≠ n
and therefore the proposition is not an equation –
however this can be interpreted otherwise –
if you were to extend 1+1/2 + 1/3
+… until it is greater than n – then the right hand side at any point in the
extension would be n +
here you have a proposal for an ‘on-going equation’
– a ‘rolling equation’ – if indeed you would still call this proposition an
‘equation’ –
for in such an interpretation the ‘=’ sign
functions as an axis on which left and right sides of the proposition turn
this is a mathematical game where the initial
proposition functions as a door to indeterminacy
and so a game that generates itself – its terms – in play
‘(1 + 1/2 + 1/22 +…) . (1 +
1/3 + 1/32 + …) …(1 + 1/n + 1/n2 …) = n’ –
is proposition – a proposal – open to question – open to doubt – open to
interpretation
and in mathematics interpretation is a question of
what rules are applied to the proposition
27 The trisection of an angle,
etc.
‘We might say: in Euclidean plane geometry we can’t look for the trisection
of an angle, because there is no such thing, and we can’t look for the
bisection of an angle, because there is no such thing.
In the world of Euclidean elements I can no more ask for the trisection
of an angle than I can search for it. It just isn’t mentioned.
(I can locate the problem of the trisection of an angle within a larger
system but can’t ask within the system of Euclidean geometry whether it’s
soluble. In what language should I
ask this? In the Euclidean? But neither can I ask in Euclidean language about
the possibility of bisecting an angle within the Euclidean system. For in that
language that would boil down to a question about absolute possibility, which
is always nonsense.)
Incidentally, here we must make a distinction between different sorts of
question, a distinction which will shows once again that what we call a
“question” in mathematics is not the same as what we call by that name in
everyday life. We must distinguish between the question “how does one divide an
angle into two different parts?” and the question “is this construction the
bisection of an angle?” A question only makes sense in a calculus which gives
us a method for its solution; and a calculus may well give us a method for
answering the one question without giving us a method for answering the other.
For instance, Euclid doesn’t shew us how to look for the solution to his
problems; he gives them to us and then proves that they are solutions. And this
isn’t a psychological or pedagogical matter, but a mathematical one. That is,
the calculus (the one he gives us)
doesn’t enable us to look for the construction. A calculus that doesn’t enable
us to that is a different one.(Compare methods of integration with methods of
differentiation, etc.)’
‘In the world of Euclidean elements I can no more ask for the trisection
of an angle than I can search for it. It just isn’t mentioned.’ –
yes – so if you ask the question – you are not in the world of Euclidean
elements –
you are coming from a non-Euclidian context
‘A question only makes sense in a calculus which gives us a method for
its solution’ –
a question – asks for a method of solution –
and indeed ‘the method of solution’ – is open to question – open to
doubt – is uncertain –
the ‘question’ – is not the captive of any language form
a proposition – a proposal – is open to question – open to doubt – is
uncertain
the logical reality – is the reality of question – of doubt – of
uncertainty –
your question – is open to question
‘In mathematics there are very
different things that all get called proofs, and the differences between them
are logical differences. The things
called ‘proofs’ have no more internal connection with each other than the
things called ‘numbers’.
a proof in mathematics
irrespective of what form it takes – is the decision to suspend question – to
suspend doubt –
mathematical proof is a rhetorical device
‘What kind of proposition is “It is impossible to
trisect an angle with ruler and compass”? The same kind, no doubt, as “There is
no F(3) in the series of angle- divisions F(n) just as there is no 4 in the
series of combination-numbers n.(n-1)”.
2
But what kind of proposition is that? The same kind as “there is ½ in
the series of cardinal numbers”. That is obviously a superfluous rule of the
game, something like: in draughts there is a piece called the “queen”. The
question whether trisection is possible is then the question whether there is
such a thing in the game as trisection, whether there is such a piece in
draughts called “the queen” that has some kind of role like that of the queen
in chess. Of course this question could be answered simply by stipulation; but
it wouldn’t set any problem or task of calculation, so it wouldn’t have the
same sense as a question whose answer was; I will work out whether there is
such a thing. (Something like: I will work out whether any of the numbers 5, 7,
18, 25 is divisible by 3). Now is the question about the possibility of
trisecting an angle that sort of question? It is if you have a general system
in the calculus for calculating the possibility of division into n equal parts.
Now why does one call this proof the proof of this proposition?
A proposition isn’t a name; as a proposition it belongs to a system of
language. If I can say “there is no such thing as trisection” then it makes
sense to say “there is no such thing as quadrisection”, etc., etc. And if this is a proof of the first proposition
(a part of its syntax), then there must be corresponding proofs (or disproof’s)
for the other propositions of the proposition system, otherwise they don’t
belong in the same system.’
a proposition is open to question
– open to doubt – is uncertain
‘kinds of propositions’ –
here we are talking about
contexts of use
what kind of proposition is – ‘it
is impossible to trisect an angle with ruler and compass’? –
as with any proposition – any
proposal – it is open to question – open to doubt – is uncertain
I would say the proper context
for this proposition – is empirical –
and that whether or not you can
trisect an angle – is a contingent matter –
and as far as I know
mathematicians have developed a number of methods for the trisection of an angle
I disregard ‘impossible’ – as
nothing but a piece of rhetoric – and I would say this - regardless of what context is
proposed for the proposition’s use or assessment
yes – you have propositions that
are used in rule governed contexts –
however any propositional context
– any set of rules – as with any proposition – is open –
open to question – open to doubt
–
logically speaking the propositional context is –
uncertainty
in any propositional activity –
we deal with possibility –
possibility is the flip side of
uncertainty
a proposition is a response to
uncertainty – and is an expression of what is possible
possibility is the life of a
proposition
‘impossibility’ is a logical dead
zone
‘The question whether trisection
is possible is then the question whether there is such a thing in the game as
trisection …’ –
look – where you place and use a
proposition – is open to question –
yes you can place it in a context
– where it makes no sense – why?
the proposition – any proposition
will be have life – if it is useful –
and yes its utility is primarily
a question of where it is used –
a question of which propositional
context
‘Now why does one call this proof the proof of this
proposition?
because this proof is offered is in
relation to this proposition – time and place
A proposition isn’t a name; as a
proposition it belongs to a system of language.’
a proposition can be variously
accounted for – variously described –
any propositional system – any
propositional system – is open to question – open to doubt – uncertain
‘I can’t ask whether 4 occurs
among the combination-numbers if that is my number system. And I can’t ask
whether ½ occurs in the cardinal numbers, or show that it isn’t one of them,
unless by “cardinal numbers” I mean part of a system that contains ½ as well.
(Equally I can’t either say or prove that 3 is one of the cardinal numbers.)
The question really means something like this: “If you divide ½ do you get a
whole numbers?, and that can only be asked in a system in which divisibility
and indivisibility is familiar. (The working out must make sense.)
If we don’t mean by “cardinal
numbers” a subset of the rational numbers, then we can’t work out whether 81/3
is a cardinal number, but only whether the division 81/3 comes out or not.’
yes – always here –
a question of which propositional
game you are playing
‘Instead of the problem of
trisecting an angle with straightedge and compass we might investigate a
parallel, and much more pernicious problem. There is nothing to prevent us
restricting the possibilities of construction with straightedge and compass
still further. We might for instance lay down the condition that the angle of
the compass may not be changed. And we might lay down that the only
construction we know – or better: that our calculus knows – is the one to
bisect a line AB, namely
(That might actually be the
primitive geometry of a tribe. I said above that the numbers “1, 2, 3, 4, 5,
many” has equal rights with the series of cardinal numbers and that would go for
this geometry too. In general it is a good in our investigations to imagine the
arithmetic or geometry of a primitive people.)
I will call this geometry the
system µ and ask: “in
the system µ is it
possible to trisect a line?”
What kind of trisection is meant in this question?
That’s obviously what the sense of the question depends on. For instance, is
what is meant physical trisection – trisection, that is by trial and error and
measurement? In that case the answer is perhaps yes. Or optical trisection –
trisection that is, which yields three parts which look the same length? It is
quite imaginable that the parts a, b, and c might look the same length if, for
instance, we were looking through some distorting medium.
We might represent the results of
division in the system µ by the numbers 2, 22,, 23,
etc. in accordance with number of the segments
produced; and the question whether trisection is possible might mean: does any
of the numbers in this series = 3? Of course that question can only be asked if
2, 22,, 23, etc are imbedded in another system (say cardinal
number system); it can be asked if these numbers are themselves our number
system for in that case we, or our system, are not acquainted with number
3. But if our question is: is one
of the numbers 2, 22, , etc. equal
to 3. then there is nothing really said about the trisection of a line.
Nonetheless, we might look in this manner at the question about the possibility
of trisection – We get a different view, if we adjoin to the system µ a system in
which lines are divided in the manner of this figure. It can then be asked: is
a division into 180 sections a division of type µ? And this
question might again
boil down to: 180 a power of 2? But it might also
indicate a different decision procedure (have a different sense) if we
connected the systems µ and b to a system of geometrical constructions in such a
way that it could be proved in the system that the two constructions “must
yield” the same division points B, C, D.
Suppose that someone, having divided a line AB into
8 sections in the system µ,
groups these lines into the lines a, b, c, and asks: is that a
trisection into 3 sections? (We
could make the case more easily imaginable if we took a larger number of
original sections, which would make it possible to form groups of sections
which
looked the same length). The answer to that would
be a proof that 23 is not
divisible by 3; or an indication the sections are in the ratio 1: 3: 4. And now
you might ask: but surely I do have a concept of trisection in the system, a
concept of division which yields parts a, b, c, in the ration 1 : 1: 1?
Certainly I have now introduced a new concept of ‘trisection of a line’; we
might well say that by dividing the line AB into eight parts we have divided
the line CB into 3 equal parts, if that is just to mean we have produced a line
that consists of 3 equal parts.
The perplexity with which we found ourselves in
relation to the problem of trisection was roughly this: if the trisection of an
angle is impossible – logically impossible – how can we ask questions about it
at all? How can we describe what is logically impossible and significantly
raise the question of its possibility? That is, how can one put together
logically ill sorted concepts (in violation of grammar, and therefore
nonsensically) and significantly ask about the possibility of the combination?
– But the same paradox would arise if we asked “is 25 x 25 = 620”; for after
all it’s logically impossible that the equation should be correct; I certainly
can’t describe what it would be like if … - Well, a doubt whether 25 x 25 = 620
(or whether it = 625) has no more and no less sense than the method of checking
gives it. It is quite correct that we don’t here imagine, or describe, what it
is like for 25 x 25 to be 620; what that means is that we are dealing with a
type of question that is (logically) different from “is this street 620 or 625
meters long”?
(We talk about a “division of a circle into
7segments” and also of a division of a cake into 7 segments).’
if the question is trisection – then the is no
point in considering systems that do not allow – or have no place for
trisection
and you can say – in general that such a question
would not arise – unless there was such a system –
where would it come from?
(in the event of a question being asked for which
there is no system – then either the question is regarded as meaningless – or
you have to propose a system – or argue that in fact it has a place in an
existing system)
that the question is asked – that there is a system
– is really about showing that mathematics is an exploration of – mathematics –
mathematical systems are proposed – and we explore
their possibilities –
exploring their possibilities = delight
as to ‘logically impossible’ –
a logically impossible system –
is simply a construction that doesn’t make sense – a construction that cannot
be used – that is not used
a logically impossible construction – is propositional rubbish
– that only attracts our attention because it is presented in a recognizable
propositional form –
it is a sham presentation
‘grammar’ is proposition theory –
or account –
25 x 25 = 625 – is a
propositional practice –
if 25 x 25 = 625 is in use and makes sense to those who use it
– then there can be –most likely will be – an account of that use and sense
if you put up an explanation –
that doesn’t explain the use –
then you contribute nothing – and
keep yourself in the dark
in any case – explanations come
and go – grammars come and go –
even use is on shaky ground –
nevertheless – the propositions
that we use –
make the world we live in –
what we are – is what we propose
28 Searching and trying
‘If you say to someone who has
never tried “try and move your ears”, he will first move some part of his body
near his ears that he has moved before, and either his ears will move at once
or they won’t. You might say of this process: he is trying to move his ears.
But if it can be called trying, it isn’t trying in at all the same sense as
trying to move your ears (or your hands) in a case here you already “know how
to do it” but someone is holding them so that you can move them only with
difficulty or not at all. It is the first sense of trying that corresponds to
trying “to solve a mathematical problem” when there is no method for its
solution. One can always ponder on the apparent problem. If someone says to me
“try by sheer will power to move that jug at the other end of the room” I will
look at it and perhaps make some strange movements with my face muscles; so
that even in that case there seems to be such a thing as trying.’
‘trying’?
if you know how to perform a task
– you know how to do it –
and in that case you will not be trying to perform it – you will perform
it
if you don’t know how to perform
the task – you don’t know –
and in that case any attempt at
the task – will be pretentious
if you know how to perform the
task – but it is not easily performed
– i.e. there are obstacles to performing it –
then you can be said to be trying
to perform it –
in that you are attempting to
overcome the obstacles
as to mathematics –
you either know the game – the
rules of the game – or you don’t
if you learn the rules – you will
be able to play the game –
where a ‘mathematical’ proposition
is put – for which there are no rules – no method of solution known –
then the proposition is not
mathematical – i.e. rule governed –
in so far as it presents in the
form of a mathematical proposition – it is a fraud
if a ‘mathematical’ proposition
is put – and rules are proposed for
it – a method is proposed –
then you have a game proposal
‘Think of what it means to search for something in one’s memory.
Here there is certainly something like
a search in the strict sense.’
if you are trying to remember a
name – you may for example focus on the face you associate with the name –
hoping that that focus will result in you remembering the name
this is hope by association –
‘Here there is certainly something like a search in the strict
sense.’
we don’t have a definition of
‘search in the strict sense’ from Wittgenstein –
perhaps it would amount to
something like ‘retracing my steps’?
in any case some kind of method
the question then is – would a
method – such as an association with
the memory that you don’t have – but want to have – result in the memory?
the question here comes down to –
how would you know?
how would you know that the
method resulted in the memory?
you may well have remembered the
name anyway – at the time you did remember it – without any method at all
the idea here is that you either
remember or you don’t –
and that any so called searching here is really best described
as you wanting to remember –
which is just where you started
‘But trying to produce a
phenomenon is not the same as searching
for it.
Suppose I am feeling for the
painful place with my hand. I am searching in touch-space not in pain-space.
This means: what I find, if I find it, is really a place and not a pain. That
means that even if experience shows that pressing produces a pain, pressing
isn’t searching for a pain, any more than turning the handle of a generator is
searching for a spark.’
‘But trying to produce a
phenomenon is not the same as searching
for it.’ –
it could be – could be described
that way
‘Suppose I am feeling for the
painful place with my hand. I am searching in touch-space not in pain-space.’
here t is really no more than a
question of how you describe your
action –
I understand the argument that
the touch-space is not the pain-space – but it is just an argument
I see no problem with the
(unscientific) description – that my hand touches the ‘pain-space’ –
our actions in the absence of description – in the absence
of any description – are unknown
description makes known
any description proposed – is
open to question – open to doubt – is logically speaking uncertain
we run with whatever description
we find useful / functional at the time
‘Can one try to beat the wrong
time to a melody? How does such an attempt compare with trying to lift a weight
that is too heavy?’
‘Can one try to beat the wrong
time to a melody?
it’s called jazz
‘trying to lift a weight that is
too heavy?’
is a problem – how is it to be
done?
how do they compare?
in both cases – a question of figuring
out how to do it –
in the melody case – you have to
think counter to the natural beat
in the lifting case – once you
realize you can’t lift it unassisted – you have to find another method
perhaps there is a degree of
difficulty in one – that is not in the other –
it really all depends on the
circumstances –
and the people involved
‘It is highly significant that
one can see the group IIIII in different ways (in different groups); but what
is still more noteworthy is that one can do it at will. That is there is quite
a definite process of producing a particular “view at will; and correspondingly
a quite definite process of unsuccessful attempting to do so. Similarly, you
can to order see the figure below in such a way that the first one and then the
other vertical line is the nose, and first one and then the other line becomes
the mouth; in certain circumstances you can try in vain to do the one or the
other
The essential thing here is that
this attempt is the same kind of thing as trying to lift a weight with the
hand; is isn’t like the sort of trying where one does different things, tries
out different means, in order (e.g.) to lift a weight. In the two cases the
word “attempt” has quite different meanings. (An extremely significant grammatical
fact.)’
the figure ‘IIIII’ and – are proposals – propositions –
a proposal – a proposition –
logically speaking – is open to question – open to doubt – uncertain –
open to interpretation
‘that one can do it at will’ – or
‘in vain’ –
are accounts – possible accounts
– descriptions of the doing –
these proposal – like the
proposal ‘IIIII’ and the
proposal – are open to question – to doubt – uncertain
what we are dealing with here –
all that we have here – is proposals
– propositions –
‘The essential thing here’ – is
propositional logic
yes – you can argue that ‘the
word “attempt” has quite different meanings’ –
any proposal is open to question
– open to doubt – is uncertain –
and I would say indeed – this
understanding is –
‘extremely significant’
(c) greg t. charlton. 2016.